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    Re: Nationalizing the Education System

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    This thread is about FEDERAL takeover of schools. State responsibility by constitution and town and city districts constitute local control in this discussion.



    Again, for the purposes of a discussion about FEDERAL CONTROL OF ALL SCHOOLS a system of state responsibility with local city and town districts is LOCAL CONTROL.

    And the amount of federal money in most districts is relatively small as a total percentage of revenue.
    Federal control or involvement in state schools violates the tenth amendment



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    Nationalizing the Education System

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Federal control or involvement in state schools violates the tenth amendment
    Well, there is that little detail. Maybe education is commerce.
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    Re: Nationalizing the Education System

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Federal control or involvement in state schools violates the tenth amendment
    Here, Here!!

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    Well, there is that little detail. Maybe education is commerce.
    ... I almost pissed myself! But you have a good point. If the kid learns something and takes that knowledge to another state and uses it to influence the commerce of another state in ANY way, that's commerce clause territory (being completely facetious)!

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    Re: Nationalizing the Education System

    Being the product of a Public Education, the best I can do is to let others speak for me:

    Academies that are founded at public expense are instituted not so much to cultivate men's natural abilities as to restrain them.
    Baruch Spinoza (1632-1677)
    A general State education is a mere contrivance for moulding people to be exactly like one another; and as the mould in which it casts them is that which pleases the dominant power in the government, whether this be a monarch, an aristocracy, or a majority of the existing generation; in proportion as it is efficient and successful, it establishes a despotism over the mind, leading by a natural tendency to one over the body.
    John Stuart Mill, "On Liberty"
    Wherever is found what is called a paternal government, there is found state education. It has been discovered that the best way to insure implicit obedience is to commence tyranny in the nursery.
    Benjamin Disraeli, British Prime Minister (1874)
    That erroneous assumption is to the effect that the aim of public education is to fill the young of the species with knowledge and awaken their intelligence, and so make them fit to discharge the duties of citizenship in an enlightened and independent manner. Nothing could be further from the truth. The aim of public education is not to spread enlightenment at all, it is simply to reduce as many individuals as possible to the same safe level, to breed and train a standardized citizenry, to put down dissent and originality. That is its aim in the United States, whatever the pretensions of politicians, pedagogues and other such mountebanks, and that is its aim everywhere else.
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    A tax supported, compulsory educational system is the complete model of the totalitarian state.
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    Re: Nationalizing the Education System

    Quote Originally Posted by phishfi View Post
    If the customers (parents) don't like this the way a certain school, they can take their kids elsewhere... That's the beauty of a private system that can't exist in the public system... Someday the exact same argument will be brought up about this universal healthcare, and it'll be just as valid!
    You can send your kids to any private school that will except them or you can teach them at home. No one is stopping you from making either of those choices.
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    Re: Nationalizing the Education System

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    Well, there is that little detail. Maybe education is commerce.
    If some people had there way it would be.
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    Re: Nationalizing the Education System

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    This thread is about FEDERAL takeover of schools. State responsibility by constitution and town and city districts constitute local control in this discussion.
    No, no it does not. No matter how much you want to pretend state control is the same as local control, it is not and never will be. 100% local control would mean the local school districts would determine their own curriculum, they would set their own graduation requirements, and they would asses the education level of students in their own way.

    Again, for the purposes of a discussion about FEDERAL CONTROL OF ALL SCHOOLS a system of state responsibility with local city and town districts is LOCAL CONTROL.
    And, again, you can repeat this to your heart's content, but it is no more true now than it was the first time you said it. State and local control are completely different.

    And the amount of federal money in most districts is relatively small as a total percentage of revenue.
    Federal dollars bring in significant amounts of revenue. Title 1 monies, especially, have been quite helpful over the last several years at our school. And let's not forget the amount of money for free/reduced lunch, which is vital for so many students to actually get a meal.

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    Re: Nationalizing the Education System

    Quote Originally Posted by phishfi View Post
    No, you have no right, whatsoever, to tell me what I can and cannot teach my child. If you even felt like that, why aren't you arguing against homeschooling as well? What parents teach their kids, or the way they decide to raise their kids (barring abuse) is within their rights and nobody else's business.
    Who says I'm not against homeschooling? I think they need to same general educational requirements as any other school. I think it is absolutely abusive some of the idiotic things that parents want to teach their kids and/or exclude their kids from learning.
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    Re: Nationalizing the Education System

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Who says I'm not against homeschooling? I think they need to same general educational requirements as any other school. I think it is absolutely abusive some of the idiotic things that parents want to teach their kids and/or exclude their kids from learning.
    That doesn't mean you can take my kids and teach them whatever you want. Or that I have to teach them a specific set of lessons.

    By the same logic, government should mandate what parents feed their kids, what chores they can and can't do, how much outdoor activities we should make sure they do, and on and on...

    Parents are the deciders in everything their kids do.

    Still, my point stands, maintaining States' rights with education is the right answer. Hopefully, some States will move away from public education someday and we can see the best system in action.

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    Re: Nationalizing the Education System

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I think they need to same general educational requirements as any other school.
    Do they allow not doing that in Cal? Don't they have a curriculum of subjects that must be taught and students have to pass state exams to get a diploma?
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