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    Re: Nationalizing the Education System

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    I see, you've become an efficiency expert. If you are going in that direction, why not just have a couple of dozen teachers across the time zones and then education students that way? You won't need as many teachers, everyone can get the same education because a teacher's slant on the subject isn't confusing anyone, and you certainly won't need as many buildings or janitors, or librarians but you will need more IT support people. I know, you can even have parallel channels of education and the local school board can decide which approved teacher they want broadcasted--the New York access for NY students, and a Massachusetts access for those that hate NY accents. Unless you are trying to get rid of accents too.
    Why have so many teachers? Film the lessons (I have it on good authority that teachers are only responsible for giving the material in accordance with proscribed teaching strategies, not for student performance), and only update as necessary.

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    Re: Nationalizing the Education System

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    this reminds me of those who used to talk about the "wastefullness" of competition.
    What the...... !?!??!!?!?

    This makes no sense on any level.
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    Re: Nationalizing the Education System

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    I see, you've become an efficiency expert. If you are going in that direction, why not just have a couple of dozen teachers across the time zones and then education students that way? You won't need as many teachers, everyone can get the same education because a teacher's slant on the subject isn't confusing anyone, and you certainly won't need as many buildings or janitors, or librarians but you will need more IT support people. I know, you can even have parallel channels of education and the local school board can decide which approved teacher they want broadcasted--the New York access for NY students, and a Massachusetts access for those that hate NY accents. Unless you are trying to get rid of accents too.

    Talking about saving billions, let's go all in. Of course, once we do that we'll have to figure out what to do with the "miseducated [sic]" children.

    If you read back, you will see that I wasn't addressing local control on the village level, but on the state level. I live in a state with 67 counties and 501 school districts, so I'm in favor of some consolidation.
    That system you suggest makes no sense as the actual service of education is delivered in classrooms. Education is labor intensive and at its core involves teachers and students working together in the same place and time. On the other hand, developing curriculum does NOT have to be duplicated tens of thousands of times across the nation.
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    Re: Nationalizing the Education System

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    What the...... !?!??!!?!?

    This makes no sense on any level.
    Ladies and gentlemen, the man who taught US history and government in the US Public Education System.

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    Re: Nationalizing the Education System

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Ladies and gentlemen, the man who taught US history and government in the US Public Education System.
    How does you taking a cheap shot at me when you have no knowledge or experience with my teaching counter what I have said? It might make you feel good since you have long ago identified me as the ENEMY who must be opposed. It make even earn you brownie points with certain people who worship before the same altar. But it is a rather pathetic substitute for debate.
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    Re: Nationalizing the Education System

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    That system you suggest makes no sense as the actual service of education is delivered in classrooms. Education is labor intensive and at its core involves teachers and students working together in the same place and time. On the other hand, developing curriculum does NOT have to be duplicated tens of thousands of times across the nation.
    Perhaps you perception of the education is "antiquated and quaint". Certainly if the states can be outdated, so can your educational model. If there are too many administrators, there can certainly be too many teachers. Let's ask Daniel Webster if we should keep things the same...

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    Re: Nationalizing the Education System

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    Perhaps you perception of the education is "antiquated and quaint". Certainly if the states can be outdated, so can your educational model. If there are too many administrators, there can certainly be too many teachers. Let's ask Daniel Webster if we should keep things the same...
    That makes no sense. Where are you getting this stuff from?

    Education is one of the few areas of life where those who are the most unlearned and most ignorant about the field feel that their opinion is worth more than the professionals who have dedicated their lives to the field. It is like a Catholic priest giving marriage advice and feeling secure in their pretended wisdom.
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    Re: Nationalizing the Education System

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    That makes no sense. Where are you getting this stuff from?

    Education is one of the few areas of life where those who are the most unlearned and most ignorant about the field feel that their opinion is worth more than the professionals who have dedicated their lives to the field. It is like a Catholic priest giving marriage advice and feeling secure in their pretended wisdom.
    Are you implying that someone can't have independent thoughts or question the status quo? I posed questions, did you respond to your student in the same way? You questioned the status quo of the states role in government and I continued the line of thinking to the way teachers taught students. Of course, you liked your idea and hated mine and continues by saying that I was unlearned and ignorant about the field of education.

    There is no reason to jump to insults for challenging your assumptions, but then again, I was never a teacher and cannot possibly recognize what for you must be a normal teaching method.

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    Re: Nationalizing the Education System

    Nationalize?

    NO!

    Privatize?

    Yes.

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    Re: Nationalizing the Education System

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    First off, you need to go and learn what the general welfare is, and how it is applied to the Constitution. Your implied use of it here is a complete fallacy.
    Not true at all. " This clause authorizes congress to collect taxes from various sources to pay off national debts, provide for common defense, and the general welfare." In reference to the General Welfare clause.
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