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    Re: Should Castle Doctrine and Stand Your Ground Laws Be Federal Law [W18]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Oh I have a healthy distrust of government at all levels. However, I'm not going to don the tinfoil hat and start shouting "CONSPIRACY!" around every corner.

    Them "sticking their nose" in this is an absolutely necessary evil, since it's a determinant that makes an action become "self defense" or "murder". I'll take some government action lightly, but not that.

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    Re: Should Castle Doctrine and Stand Your Ground Laws Be Federal Law [W18]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    1. You're taking yourself waaaaaaay too seriously for a Friday evening.
    2. I purposefully chose those options because they were provocative.
    3. What is beyond your "normal right" as it regards your right to protect your life and property?
    1.) really, winking back is serious now? i had no idea lol
    2.) well those are good chooses then
    3.) well its just my opinion i admit that but ill give you my rundown.

    intruder in your house or in the middle of forcibly trying to enter your house, deadly force is allowed
    intruder on your property retreat/investigation is first unless obvious fear for ones life is present or intimate danger is present then deadly force is allowed, this one of course will be very subjective and one will still have to be careful in some cases.

    as for stand your ground laws, im not sure that I could come up with how that needs written, most i have seen are very sloppy and basically COULD allow me to push you and punch you on time, then you start kicking my ass then i shoot you.

    a stand you ground law IMO has to be written much better or just extend castle laws to place of work, vehicles and person like they did here in PA.
    I THINK id have to check that deadly force is allowed for protecting yourself and to prevent a felony but id have to check on the felony part. Like shooting a guy committing a rape.
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    Re: Should Castle Doctrine and Stand Your Ground Laws Be Federal Law [W18]

    I oppose the federal government mandating state criminal law upon them, especially affirmative defenses. Stand your ground could be a free-for-all at some point--survivor wins--but it is better than No-Retreat, not that juries are strict with that one.

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    Re: Should Castle Doctrine and Stand Your Ground Laws Be Federal Law [W18]

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Personally I think stand your ground is a potential nightmare. What if the wrong people start taking advantage of the law to commit crimes and when they kill some one they claim self defense?

    Okay, I'll address this.

    "Stand your Ground" is a label attached to a legal provision removing the "duty to retreat prior to using lethal force" that existed in SOME State's laws previously. It was labeled "Stand your ground" probably by detractors, attempting to portray it as encouraging vigilantism and macho posturing.

    Not So.


    The basic standard for self-defense is pretty similar in all states. All that I know of require the following:

    1. You must be without leqal fault in the incident. Meaning, if you were committing any crimes or wrongs at the start of the incident, you are automatically disallowed the self-defense legal defense, right there.

    2. You must have been in, or believed yourself in, imminent danger of death or grave bodily harm.

    3. A reasonable person in same situation also believe #2 (the "reasonable man clause")

    The fourth item used to be "was unable to safely retreat from the situation"... the so-called SYG just removed that fourth requirement from those states that had it... and this was a GOOD thing because it was too easily abused by prosecutors against people who were legitimately defending themselves, who might have trouble PROVING they couldn't safely retreat.

    It's hard enough proving self-defense as it is... and SD is an "affirmative defense", meaning you can't just claim it, there has to be somethign supporting it.




    So you STILL cannot claim self-defense under SYG if you STARTED OFF IN THE WRONG!
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    Re: Should Castle Doctrine and Stand Your Ground Laws Be Federal Law [W18]

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    States rights. So no.
    The most important part of having the 2nd Amendment is to defend yourself. So no, not state rights. Individual rights.
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    Re: Should Castle Doctrine and Stand Your Ground Laws Be Federal Law [W18]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    I use tinfoil for casseroles in the oven and baked potato on the grill, in my youth, to make a maryjawanna smoking utensil, as a hat? Never even thought about it...
    Didn't mean you. You're not quite at that level. However, it sounds as if you're just wanting to establish federal law to make SYG pretty lax and encompassing - to a point where you could create a moral hazard of sorts.

    I believe in SYG, but I don't want it to be a "can't touch me" law when you shout it. We already have that with often-abused legislature like Affirmative Action. Damned if I keep quiet about more of it.

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    Re: Should Castle Doctrine and Stand Your Ground Laws Be Federal Law [W18]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    Below is a wonderful story of a man defending his home from intrusion.

    http://boston.cbslocal.com/2013/05/0...-gardner-home/

    My problem is when you watch the video, you'll hear the narrator state Law Enforcement officials advise that home owners when faced with intrusion should flee.

    This to me is the most asinine, cowardly, depend on nanny state, thinking one could have and it really is disturbing that Law Enforcement officials, who have already been proven NOT to have a constitutional obligation of protecting you and yours would tell you and me to tuck tale and flee.

    If an intruder invades my home it will be by God's grace that he is capable of leaving it vertically. I will not flee, I will fight.

    I feel that this is a universal right, not one that should be subject to review or under the purview of anyone or anybody. Therefore, it should -- in my opinion -- fall under Federal statute, not to be limited or restricted in any way by State, County, or local levels of government.

    What say you?
    I think the law should say that if anyone breaks into my house, he is fair game. If anyone tries to steal my care, he is fair game.
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    Re: Should Castle Doctrine and Stand Your Ground Laws Be Federal Law [W18]

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    This is not on list but I will speak my mind.

    This is the same law that sparked the George Zimmerman/trayvon Martin saga. And I don't think Zimmerman acted in self defense, it was a excuse.

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    Re: Should Castle Doctrine and Stand Your Ground Laws Be Federal Law [W18]

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I think the law should say that if anyone breaks into my house, he is fair game. If anyone tries to steal my care, he is fair game.


    That should be common sense, but in some states it isn't. Unfortunately.

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    Re: Should Castle Doctrine and Stand Your Ground Laws Be Federal Law [W18]

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    That should be common sense, but in some states it isn't. Unfortunately.
    Common sense is extremely rare these days imo.
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