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Should Castle Doctrine and Stand Your Ground Laws Be Federal Law [W18]

Should Castle Doctrine and Stand Your Ground Be Federal Law?

  • Yes, I should be protected under Federal Law to be a Man and defend me and mine.

    Votes: 14 70.0%

  • No, I'm a coward who should be made to run and hide.

    Votes: 6 30.0%
  • Total voters
    20
Gipper said:
You'd be surprised how many liberals I see that would give him the benefit of the doubt. A criminal. Benefit of the doubt.

Is it just me, or do those two things simply not belong together?
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You are correct, they do not. And this is another reason why self-defense laws should be fairly liberal. ("Liberal" in the original sense of favoring liberty).
 
ChezC3 said:
1. Don't know you that well, couldn't tell if you were throwing a mock out there...
2. Thank you
3. I think we can all agree in common sense implementation. However common sense isn't winning the day in our government and evidence to that fact is that if it was then there wouldn't need to be any laws of this nature on the books in the first place. The fact that they are tells me that their are some down right imbeciles who are promoting an agenda that tells you to run and hide, to not resist aggression and to basically allow yourself to be robbed and or get your ass kicked if not murdered.

The wording of such laws would have to be taken under considerable consideration but there is a movement to prevent people, to make law abiding citizens culpable for reacting to crimes committed against them.
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I agree some of the loops and holes people want you to jump through just to protect yourself is crazy.

and on a side note like i said early, open carry should be national and so should my CWP be national. Conceal Weapons permit. It should be recognized everywhere just like my drivers license.
 
Goshin said:
You are correct, they do not. And this is another reason why self-defense laws should be fairly liberal. ("Liberal" in the original sense of favoring liberty).
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And, of course, common sense should play a part. If you come across a homeowner who has never run afoul of the law, and a dead man at his front step that, upon a police search, has a sheet as long as his arm...you can kind of put the pieces together, tell the man to get some Ajax and to have a good night.

However, with our judicial system, it's never that simple. I'd go into why, but I think there'd be a few cards played by other posters that I really don't want to elaborate on.
 
Gipper said:
And, of course, common sense should play a part. If you come across a homeowner who has never run afoul of the law, and a dead man at his front step that, upon a police search, has a sheet as long as his arm...you can kind of put the pieces together, tell the man to get some Ajax and to have a good night.

However, with our judicial system, it's never that simple. I'd go into why, but I think there'd be a few cards played by other posters that I really don't want to elaborate on.
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So a homeowner should be allowed to kill another man, just because he has a rap sheet?
 
Amadeus said:
So a homeowner should be allowed to kill another man, just because he has a rap sheet?
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Nice leap of logic. Care to try again?

It's called "benefit of the doubt" for a reason. You can do a LexisNexis search while he ponders killing you.
 
Gipper said:
Didn't mean you. You're not quite at that level. However, it sounds as if you're just wanting to establish federal law to make SYG pretty lax and encompassing - to a point where you could create a moral hazard of sorts.

I believe in SYG, but I don't want it to be a "can't touch me" law when you shout it. We already have that with often-abused legislature like Affirmative Action. Damned if I keep quiet about more of it.
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I'm just trying to make a point that there needs to be a law on the books that prevent law enforcement officials and the judiciary from preventing, restricting, advising against, or suggesting that people NOT protect themselves (through laws, statutes, guidelines, et al) and instead wait for the people who have no obligation TO protect them to show up.
 
I have to smile watching a self described extreme state righter advocate for a federal law on what he feels is an Individual right...

Especially when States are lining up to nullify Federal law. It seems some want Federal Intervention when it suits them, decries an overreaching government when it 'dictates' to the states.

I would have thought a Constitutional amendment at the very least. ;) Though much better would be a court ruling that Individuals have the right to self defense in their home and if threatened with bodily harm out in public- would be interesting to see if requiring CCWs and the like are a State's Right to administer.

I am a firm believer in self defense, however SYG is political posturing.
 
ChezC3 said:
I'm just trying to make a point that there needs to be a law on the books that prevent law enforcement officials and the judiciary from preventing, restricting, advising against, or suggesting that people NOT protect themselves (through laws, statutes, guidelines, et al) and instead wait for the people who have no obligation TO protect them to show up.
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Strictly from that position, I wholeheartedly agree. However, there still has to be due diligence done in situations where this blanket is being used. It takes more than a 30 second search of the immediate premises, a tip of the hat by the local sheriff, and a drive back to the station with little to no paperwork.
 
AGENT J said:
I agree some of the loops and holes people want you to jump through just to protect yourself is crazy.

and on a side note like i said early, open carry should be national and so should my CWP be national. Conceal Weapons permit. It should be recognized everywhere just like my drivers license.
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I 100% agree on the CWP... Not only does more guns promote less crime it also makes for a so much more polite society...
 
Gipper said:
Nice leap of logic. Care to try again?

It's called "benefit of the doubt" for a reason. You can do a LexisNexis search while he ponders killing you.
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No worries, it just seemed like you were saying something that I guess you weren't saying.
 
notquiteright said:
I have to smile watching a self described extreme state righter advocate for a federal law on what he feels is an Individual right...

Especially when States are lining up to nullify Federal law. It seems some want Federal Intervention when it suits them, decries an overreaching government when it 'dictates' to the states.

I would have thought a Constitutional amendment at the very least. ;) Though much better would be a court ruling that Individuals have the right to self defense in their home and if threatened with bodily harm out in public- would be interesting to see if requiring CCWs and the like are a State's Right to administer.

I am a firm believer in self defense, however SYG is political posturing.
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I smile when you smile because it shows you didn't read my argument. :D
 
Gipper said:
And, of course, common sense should play a part. If you come across a homeowner who has never run afoul of the law, and a dead man at his front step that, upon a police search, has a sheet as long as his arm...you can kind of put the pieces together, tell the man to get some Ajax and to have a good night.

However, with our judicial system, it's never that simple. I'd go into why, but I think there'd be a few cards played by other posters that I really don't want to elaborate on.
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True story, eyewitnessed and videoed by a bud of mine.

Dogs barking, homeowner and his adult son go outside and find a man trying to steal gasoline out the car. He has a screwdriver in hand. Instead of doing the sensible thing and bugging out when he sees two men come out of the house to confront him, one (the son) with a .45 in hand, he starts arguing with them, making threatening gestures with the screwdriver, acting like he might charge... this goes on long enough for neighbors to come out on the porches to look... and finally pushes his luck a bit too far. The son shoots him dead, bang one round through the heart, dead on scene.

Cops show up. Several neighbors came out and bore witness. My friend shows them his video of the incident. The cops talk to the homeowner and shooter for about an hour; a detective comes out.

A couple hours afterward, the dead body is scooped up, the shooter's pistol is returned to him, and the cops go away.

No charges.

Found out later the dead perp had a long rap sheet including violent felonies.

In my state, the police have to have a reasonable suspicion that such a situation WASN'T self-defense before hauling you in. I prefer it that way.
 
sawyerloggingon said:
I keep a loaded gun in nearly every room in my house, some may call that paranoid I call it being prepared.
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What a man does in the privacy of his own home is his business. I'm of the opinion it ain't paranoid till he starts waving one at helicopters outside said home. ;)
 
Goshin said:
True story, eyewitnessed and videoed by a bud of mine.

Dogs barking, homeowner and his adult son go outside and find a man trying to steal gasoline out the car. He has a screwdriver in hand. Instead of doing the sensible thing and bugging out when he sees two men come out of the house to confront him, one (the son) with a .45 in hand, he starts arguing with them, making threatening gestures with the screwdriver, acting like he might charge... this goes on long enough for neighbors to come out on the porches to look... and finally pushes his luck a bit too far. The son shoots him dead, bang one round through the heart, dead on scene.

Cops show up. Several neighbors came out and bore witness. My friend shows them his video of the incident. The cops talk to the homeowner and shooter for about an hour; a detective comes out.

A couple hours afterward, the dead body is scooped up, the shooter's pistol is returned to him, and the cops go away.

No charges.

Found out later the dead perp had a long rap sheet including violent felonies.

In my state, the police have to have a reasonable suspicion that such a situation WASN'T self-defense before hauling you in. I prefer it that way.
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I would make a Skittles joke, but I'm sure after the in-thread warnings you'd get less than a chuckle out of it.

That story sounds about right, and I'd chalk it up to par for the course. Man, you have to admire the stones of someone who brings a screwdriver to a gunfight.

Funny thing is that the videotape, in my mind, is just icing on the cake. You take everything else out of the equation, and I'd agree with the very same result.
 
notquiteright said:
Oh I did, AND your penis yanking poll... THAT gave me a chuckle... :peace
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Moderator's Warning:
Let's leave the poor penises out of the discussion for once, please LAWD....
 
Gipper said:
If there's a mod box used upstairs, is it fair game for a sig?
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Only by de special permission of de management. Since I am somma de management, I geeve you de special permission, dees one time-a. :mrgreen:
 
notquiteright said:
Geeee never heard THAT one before... :roll:

As original and witty as the poll.... :peace
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So it's common place that you're frequently wrong, gotcha! :thumbs:
 
Moderator's Warning:
All right all right then, time to behave, seriously... discuss the topic not each other and all that stuff...
 
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