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Thread: Should Castle Doctrine and Stand Your Ground Laws Be Federal Law [W18]

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    Re: Should Castle Doctrine and Stand Your Ground Laws Be Federal Law [W18]

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    I'm not saying they don't deserve it or that it should be illegal, I'm saying that sometimes getting out of the house and calling 911 is a smarter idea than hanging around trying to shoot them.
    Sure, if you have nothing valuable, or irreplaceable to lose. But still. It's a personal choice to flee or fight. It shouldn't be an authoritarian type decision mandated by others.

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    Re: Should Castle Doctrine and Stand Your Ground Laws Be Federal Law [W18]

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    Yes, I think stand your ground and especially castle doctrine especially should be legal on a national level. However the video is kind of right. And kind of wrong. As are you. There is no one-size-fits-all response to having an intruder in your home. If you can get your family and leave safely, that's a pretty smart idea. At worst they're going to steal some stuff, and likely you're insured for it. After all, the people breaking in may have guns too. And even if shooting someone in self defense is legal, it doesn't mean a jury will agree that it was self defense.

    Sometimes retreat, while it might hurt your pride, is the smarter decision.
    I view someone violating my home the same as if they violated my person. It will be met with disproportionate force. It's not about pride, it is about you taking care of you, having that mentality first and foremost in your mind.

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    Re: Should Castle Doctrine and Stand Your Ground Laws Be Federal Law [W18]

    There are reasons why in the past, stealing a man's horse was a hanging offense...

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    Re: Should Castle Doctrine and Stand Your Ground Laws Be Federal Law [W18]

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord of Planar View Post
    Sure, if you have nothing valuable, or irreplaceable to lose. But still. It's a personal choice to flee or fight. It shouldn't be an authoritarian type decision mandated by others.
    Oh I agree, it should be a personal decision.
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    Re: Should Castle Doctrine and Stand Your Ground Laws Be Federal Law [W18]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    I view someone violating my home the same as if they violated my person.
    Eh, I don't. To me stuff is just stuff. None of it's irreplaceable, and none of it's worth spilling blood over.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    It will be met with disproportionate force. It's not about pride, it is about you taking care of you, having that mentality first and foremost in your mind.
    I do take care of me, but that includes giving a situation like this some thought and determining if it's really worth killing someone and all the problems that would generate in my life to protect my TV and computer and PS3.

    Like I said, I don't disagree with you that castle doctrine should be legal. My main reason is because if someone breaks into your house, you don't know why they're there. People die in botched robberies, and you shouldn't have to try and determine what the guy is doing there before you can shoot him. But just because something is legal, doesn't always make it the best decision for every situation.
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    Re: Should Castle Doctrine and Stand Your Ground Laws Be Federal Law [W18]

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    Below is a wonderful story of a man defending his home from intrusion.

    http://boston.cbslocal.com/2013/05/0...-gardner-home/

    My problem is when you watch the video, you'll hear the narrator state Law Enforcement officials advise that home owners when faced with intrusion should flee.

    This to me is the most asinine, cowardly, depend on nanny state, thinking one could have and it really is disturbing that Law Enforcement officials, who have already been proven NOT to have a constitutional obligation of protecting you and yours would tell you and me to tuck tale and flee.

    If an intruder invades my home it will be by God's grace that he is capable of leaving it vertically. I will not flee, I will fight.

    I feel that this is a universal right, not one that should be subject to review or under the purview of anyone or anybody. Therefore, it should -- in my opinion -- fall under Federal statute, not to be limited or restricted in any way by State, County, or local levels of government.

    What say you?
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    Re: Should Castle Doctrine and Stand Your Ground Laws Be Federal Law [W18]

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    Eh, I don't. To me stuff is just stuff. None of it's irreplaceable, and none of it's worth spilling blood over.
    I care little about the possessions in and of themselves. The point is they are in my care, they are mine, if you try to take from me, I will take from you.


    I do take care of me, but that includes giving a situation like this some thought and determining if it's really worth killing someone and all the problems that would generate in my life to protect my TV and computer and PS3.

    Like I said, I don't disagree with you that castle doctrine should be legal. My main reason is because if someone breaks into your house, you don't know why they're there. People die in botched robberies, and you shouldn't have to try and determine what the guy is doing there before you can shoot him. But just because something is legal, doesn't always make it the best decision for every situation.
    and my premise is to keep that decision in your and my hands.

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    Re: Should Castle Doctrine and Stand Your Ground Laws Be Federal Law [W18]

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    If we don't have a right to defend ourselves, what rights do we have? That is the most basic of all rights.

    Freedom of speech and right to a trial will do you little good if you're dead.
    I concur. The right to defend oneself is not predicated on any law, but we do need a law to remind the government of that.

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    Re: Should Castle Doctrine and Stand Your Ground Laws Be Federal Law [W18]

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptinSarcastic View Post
    Dude, if a 20 year old attacks a 70 year old woman, the time for skinning those smoke wagons has passed, the thug that didn't need a gun now has one.

    Now, on the other hand, here's a little vignette from my youth that may entertain you, it did me...

    When I was 17, in the summer between my junior and senior year in high school, I was living on my own in an apartment in South Florida. Me and high school buddy had a few beers and went walking down the sidewalk on A1A. We saw this old, old guy jogging down the sidewalk doing a Rocky thing, kind of shadow boxing as he jogged. My friend thought this was funny. I had a lot more respect for my elders. So my idiot friend makes fun of the guy, loud enough to be obnoxious. The guy hears him and basically scolds him. My idiot friend gets more obnoxious. The old guy, I'm guessing 75 years old, basically dares my friend to say something to his face. My idiot friend, a pretty aggressive guy in his own right, laughing the whole time, ignoring my admonitions, does just that, walks right up to the guy and laughs in his face.

    This 75 year old guy rabbit punched my idiot friend in the face about 30 times in as many seconds and he crumbled like a bag of meat.

    The guy looked at me, like he was wondering if I wanted to bite off a piece of this action.

    I just looked back at him, laughed, told him that was awesome and I hoped I would be half as bad ass when I was his age.

    He waved and kept on jogging.

    Respect your elders.

    Cool story.
    About the first part though, the thug taking the gun from the 70yo... bull****. My mother at 79 would have put two through his pump and one in his thinker if he thought he was taking her pistol.

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    Re: Should Castle Doctrine and Stand Your Ground Laws Be Federal Law [W18]

    It shouldn't be national - it should be state. The Fed has enough things on it's plate without adding this one.

    Missouri has had the castle laws for decades so I'm not worried about it. It won't change anytime soon, either.



    BTW - ChezC3, you get a minus five for ignorance and bias.

    I voted 'No' because it shouldn't be national --- but I wouldn't recommend you try sneaking into my house. *devil's grin*
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