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    Re: Do you believe in Democracy?

    not a representative democracy but mixed government.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-con...overnment.html

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    Re: Do you believe in Democracy?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Well, imagine at the end of WW1, instead of getting the Weimar Republic, Germany had instead become a constitutional monarch, with a legislature to temper Kaiser Wilhelms idiocy. Things would probably have turned out better.
    From that point of view, I guess it might have some validity.

    When I saw your first post, I thought you were not really a centrist but a crown loyalist who wanted to restore actual political power to the crown.
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    Re: Do you believe in Democracy?

    Quote Originally Posted by DVSentinel View Post
    From that point of view, I guess it might have some validity.

    When I saw your first post, I thought you were not really a centrist but a crown loyalist who wanted to restore actual political power to the crown.
    My first post was more trolling than anything else.
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    Re: Do you believe in Democracy?

    I see from this thread that most people really don't want to be involved in the decision making that affects their lives. It makes me wonder if we are not finally ready for some form of World Government. How would we like a world government to be? Dictator? Monarch? Or should we just let the US government be the world government? If we let the US government be the world government, then we can finally stop voting and just let Wall St. decide what is best for all of us. I pledge allegiance to the logo, of the Goldman Sachs hegemony....

    Another idea I had awhile ago was to finally stop the charade and just privatize the US government, and turn it into US Government, Inc. As a private, for profit, institution it can sell its services to generate the revenue it needs. It then is only responsible to do what is in the best interest of its shareholders. And if you want a say in how you are governed you only have to buy enough shares of US Government, Inc, to get your way. If not, sit back and let US Government, Inc. decide what is the best use for you. By the way, how's that for all you free market fanatics?

    Maybe all governments could follow the US and privatize. Through the magic of free market capitalism we will eventually end up with World Government, Inc.

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    Re: Do you believe in Democracy?

    Quote Originally Posted by kenc View Post
    I see from this thread that most people really don't want to be involved in the decision making that affects their lives.
    There are plenty of local issues (at least here there are) that are decided by popular vote. Even being local, most people can't understand all the consequences. At the national level it would be almost impossible for people to be able to see the other person's point of view to try and come to a consensus. The only way that can really work is for our representatives (elected by popular vote!) to negotiate with other representatives to come to an agreement.

    You like the business view? Here is it: Our lawyers negotiate with their lawyers to forge a viable contract except in this case it's not just two or three parties involved, it's fifty to a hundred of them, depending on how divided the various states are on the issue. I agree that corporate influence is unduly weighted and I'd like to see that changed. On the other hand, organizations like AARP have political sway, too, and I wouldn't want to see it short-changed in the process - so where can we draw a line to make that work? How do you allow a citizens group of seniors but disallow a citizens group of business owners? I don't see how that's possible because you can't really distinguish between them by any objective standard unless you start excluding certain specific groups, which is at best an extremely slippery slope to start down. I don't like it anymore than you but until we can somehow resolve it this is the best solution we have at the present time.
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    Re: Do you believe in Democracy?

    No. I "Believe" in the redemptive power of Christ. I "Believe" that God is alive in this world. I do not "Believe" in democracy simply because democracy itself is not some kind of Hegelian uber-force directing history as it sees' fit towards a pre-determined end or even in a deliberate direction.

    I do think that representative, liberal government (classic sense) tends to be the least worst of the models humanity has figured out thus far. But do I "Believe" in the moral superiority of the all-guiding wisdom of my fellow human beings when there are more of them? No.

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    Re: Do you believe in Democracy?

    Believe it or not, installing democracy is the name of the game.

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    Re: Do you believe in Democracy?

    Quote Originally Posted by RDS View Post
    Believe it or not, installing democracy is the name of the game.
    And just where has a democracy been installed lately? The USA supports dictators, or one man rules that can dictate the business terms for their constituents and sell the patrimony of the citizens. Crooks, banksters, gangsters, rental politicians, compromized financial wizards, God-endorsing charlatans, and the like rule the world with a little guidance from old money.

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    Re: Do you believe in Democracy?

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    And just where has a democracy been installed lately? The USA supports dictators, or one man rules that can dictate the business terms for their constituents and sell the patrimony of the citizens. Crooks, banksters, gangsters, rental politicians, compromized financial wizards, God-endorsing charlatans, and the like rule the world with a little guidance from old money.
    Yeah I guess with tons of CIA cash delivered each month to Karzai's office.

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    Re: Do you believe in Democracy?

    What happened to the thread originator? He hasn't answered a single question.
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