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    Re: Do you believe in Democracy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    You should check out the election rates of the more heinous rulers in the history of the world in "free" elections.

    Hitler's was somewhere around 97%, I believe.

    I think I'd qualify that as democratic.
    Precisely my point. If there was a strong monarch in Germany, Hitler would never have risen to power. Republicanism is the problem.
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    Re: Do you believe in Democracy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    I notice that some people on the board do not support democracy, so I was curious to see what the overall opinion is.
    There was research a few years back indicating the American democratic system was destined for failure. I think it had to do with voters just being bumb.

    I'll post some references when I get to a pc

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    Re: Do you believe in Democracy?

    Representative democracy - NO
    Direct democracy - YES

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    Re: Do you believe in Democracy?

    So, sifting through these responses sure has been illuminating. I think I now understand how governments can get away with the crap they do. It's painfully obvious how GWB could easily get the Patriot Act through Congress. But hey, we voted for it, albeit indirectly.

    I encourage everyone to stop thinking about democracy as anarchy. The practical application of direct democracy is through what is called participatory democracy. Here the people still democratically elect representatives but they also have to power of referendums and initiatives that serve no use other than to hold their politicians accountable to the people.

    I think the truth is, most governments are scared to death of participatory democracy because of this holding politicians accountable to the people and not to the special interests, the Fed, etc. So, enter the spin doctors to create as much FUD as possible with this mob rule stuff and voila! the people will accept anything the minority ruling class do as long as they don't end up with majority rule. I think I am starting to see a trend here: WMDs, terrorists, mob rule... Don't worry, our concerned politicians will make everything right us, and they don't even need to consult us because they are superior to us. Trust them.

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    Re: Do you believe in Democracy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    Seeking only those who understand the topic well, filtering can be done efficiently in stages.

    For example, I know you don't understand mathematics well if you can't even get past arithmetic or elementary algebra. Other topics can be handled similarly.
    You'll excuse me if I scoff at the notion that a national database categorizing every eligible voter on the basis of topical literacy could be created or managed in an efficient or objective manner.

    Here's the problem. A hamfisted educational standard doesn't take into account actual subject matter expertise. A close relative of mine aced the math portion of his college placement exam, yet hasn't the slightest grasp of finance or the economy in general. To get an accurate assessment of true knowledge on individual topics, one would literally have to have a personal q&a with every potential voter, with the questions being uniformly accepted as an accurate and objective measure of knowledge. This would likely strip away the weight of many of our senior citizens and those with a casual interest in politics but a vested interest in particular swing issues. A nightmarish proposition with even worse effects.

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    Re: Do you believe in Democracy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonzai View Post
    Correct. The Right doesn't like the fact to be known that an enormous minority is capable of subverting a democracy because it would be a reflection on them.......................
    that's really silly. we don't like appeals to mediocrity and pandering to the emotionally driven being used to subvert our constitutional rights



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    Re: Do you believe in Democracy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dragonfly View Post
    Tough question as democracy can often times boil down to "mob rule" can't it?

    Isn't there some kind of quote about democracy being not unlike two lions and one lamb deciding what's for lunch that day?
    Only in the mind of the far right which have an almost instinctive loathing for the American people and a snobbish and elitist mindset that disparages and demeans average citizens. They know they are a minority and they know they can never achieve their goals through normal means so they rant and rail and do everything they can to demean our system with names like MOBS and SHEEPLE and other right wing nonsense. Its really very very sad.
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    Re: Do you believe in Democracy?

    democracy is the most vile form of government--James Madison

    John Adams wrote in 1806: "I once thought our Constitution was quasi or mixed government, but they (Republicans) have now made it, to all intents and purposes, in virtue, in spirit, and in effect, a democracy. We are left without resources but in our prayers and tears, and have nothing that we can do or say, but the Lord have mercy on us." --john adams

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    Re: Do you believe in Democracy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    (grin!) I forget which, but either Kim Il Sung or Enver Hoxha was once elected with over 100% of the eligible vote.
    They were both incumbents, though- I don't think Hitler was able to pull that off, given that he didn't need to be re-elected.
    I think the Kims all hung out comfortably in the nineties as well.

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    Re: Do you believe in Democracy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Canell View Post
    Representative democracy - NO
    Direct democracy - YES
    Sure, lets have laws pertaining to science voted on and enacted by the majority who are incapable of comprehending the complexities of it and are un-informed for the most part on anything actually related to the subject. Just leave it to the them to base their decisions upon biased reporting, emotionality and self-interest (greed).

    Oh, wait, we already have that problem under representative democracy also, and not just in science related fields.
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