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    Re: Do you believe in Democracy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    None of that would be worth the costs of mob rule.
    What exactly is Mob Rule? I live really close to Switzerland which has a system that embraces direct democracy. These are the most peaceful, well-governed people I have ever seen. They also have a very high average standard of living, notably higher than the average in the US. Is that what we think of as mob rule? OTOH, I currently live in Italy where the elected representatives do nothing for the people except tax them to death. We are not allowed to have firearms to protect ourselves from the wolves. Give me mob rule any time.

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    Re: Do you believe in Democracy?

    Yes, but for larger institutions a representative democracy is necessary. For democratic government to work well, there also needs to be protections for the rights of minorities, checks and balances and limits to government power. The USA's constitution (with its amendments) does pretty good job of establishing these protections and balances.

    Democracy requires a stable life for the participants, a reasonably well educated populace committed to the concept, and a free and active media, journalism and communications environment. Attempts to impose democracy on regions that do not have these conditions will usually not work out well.

    I don't believe in democracy because the people as a whole are smart or because they will always make the right decisions. I support democracy because it is a good process for dispute resolution without violence.

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    Re: Do you believe in Democracy?

    Quote Originally Posted by kenc View Post
    What exactly is Mob Rule? I live really close to Switzerland which has a system that embraces direct democracy. These are the most peaceful, well-governed people I have ever seen. They also have a very high average standard of living, notably higher than the average in the US. Is that what we think of as mob rule? OTOH, I currently live in Italy where the elected representatives do nothing for the people except tax them to death. We are not allowed to have firearms to protect ourselves from the wolves. Give me mob rule any time.
    If Switzerland were a state it would rank at 13th for population, just below Virginia, and 42nd in size, just above Maryland. Don't get me wring, I like Switzerland and many of their ideas but your comparison isn't very good.
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    Re: Do you believe in Democracy?

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I like Switzerland and many of their ideas .
    Really? Have you ever lived there?

    It's ghastly.
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    Re: Do you believe in Democracy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    I notice that some people on the board do not support democracy, so I was curious to see what the overall opinion is.
    Depends on the culture. Our present culture is too self-absorbed to support a functional democratic government, representative or otherwise.
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    Re: Do you believe in Democracy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    I notice that some people on the board do not support democracy, so I was curious to see what the overall opinion is.
    Not just no, but heck no. Votes should be weighted by the knowledge of the voter with respect to the entire matter at hand, regardless of whether it's citizens selecting a president or a family choosing what's for dinner.
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    Re: Do you believe in Democracy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    Not just no, but heck no. Votes should be weighted by the knowledge of the voter with respect to the entire matter at hand
    Might sound appealing from an idealistic standpoint, but how on earth would you go about determining such a thing for all eligible voters? Can you even begin to fathom the bureacratic nightmare that task would require?

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    Re: Do you believe in Democracy?

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    Might sound appealing from an idealistic standpoint, but how on earth would you go about determining such a thing for all eligible voters? Can you even begin to fathom the bureacratic nightmare that task would require?
    It's easy. Just let white, male landowners vote. They're the most informed.
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    Re: Do you believe in Democracy?

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    Might sound appealing from an idealistic standpoint, but how on earth would you go about determining such a thing for all eligible voters? Can you even begin to fathom the bureacratic nightmare that task would require?
    Seeking only those who understand the topic well, filtering can be done efficiently in stages. For example, I know you don't understand mathematics well if you can't even get past arithmetic or elementary algebra. Other topics can be handled similarly. Since voting begins at 18, it would be reasonable to prepare people for the voting qualifications in high school.
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    Re: Do you believe in Democracy?

    The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with your average voter.

    If you disagree, dig up Churchill and argue with him. He said it, and he wasn't half right when he did. Wisdom of ages in that sentence.

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