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How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

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Cardinal said:
No.

Being arrested for violent behavior is not the same as being arrested for being homophobic.

We already covered this, actually. Like when you confused that one guy being arrested for assault for being arrested for being homophobic.
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But they were protesting against gay rights...violent or not..
 
wolfie said:
Apparently you can..

Anti-gay violence in Tblisi, Georgia: two priests arrested for their role in the affray
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They were arrested for being violent or causing violence, not for simply being against homosexuality. In fact, in Georgia, those priests were beating anyone who they suspected was either gay or planning on marching in a scheduled gay rights parade with stinging nettles. Don't pretend that they were simply arrested for speaking out against gay people or even the parade because that is not the whole truth.

Plus, all the examples you have given have been from other countries.
 
wolfie said:
But they were protesting against gay rights...violent or not..
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Which would have been fine....until they were violent.
 
roguenuke said:
They were arrested for being violent or causing violence, not for simply being against homosexuality. In fact, in Georgia, those priests were beating anyone who they suspected was either gay or planning on marching in a scheduled gay rights parade with stinging nettles. Don't pretend that they were simply arrested for speaking out against gay people or even the parade because that is not the whole truth.

Plus, all the examples you have given have been from other countries.
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The Interior Ministry said yesterday that one priest at the Holy Trinity Cathedral, Antimoz Bichinashvili, and another at the Ioane-Tornike Eristavi Monastery, Iotam Basilaia, have been charged with threatening the use of force to hinder the right to demonstrate or assemble...

So they didn't use violence then?? Just words...
 
wolfie said:
The Interior Ministry said yesterday that one priest at the Holy Trinity Cathedral, Antimoz Bichinashvili, and another at the Ioane-Tornike Eristavi Monastery, Iotam Basilaia, have been charged with threatening the use of force to hinder the right to demonstrate or assemble...

So they didn't use violence then?? Just words...
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Violence was used, as was shown in your own article. And just for the record threatening the use of violence will also send you to the bad boy corner. You should know this, as you are unaware of the differences between an opinion, threats and the actual use of violence, you may end up spending some time in the bad boy corner yourself one day.
 
wolfie said:
The Interior Ministry said yesterday that one priest at the Holy Trinity Cathedral, Antimoz Bichinashvili, and another at the Ioane-Tornike Eristavi Monastery, Iotam Basilaia, have been charged with threatening the use of force to hinder the right to demonstrate or assemble...

So they didn't use violence then?? Just words...
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They threatened force. It says so right in your quote.

And this is in another country. If we threaten to harm someone, we can be charged with a crime here too. But their laws are different than ours. They can be arrested for many different things than we can here in our country. But it comes down to the fact that there are stories about these priests using force against homosexuals and their supporters already so it is not an "idle" threat. If the threat is considered serious in this country, a person can be arrested for it.
 
Cardinal said:
Violence was used, as was shown in your own article. And just for the record threatening the use of violence will also send you to the bad boy corner. You should know this, as you are unaware of the differences between an opinion, threats and the actual use of violence, you may end up spending some time in the bad boy corner yourself one day.
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Already been my friend..:lamo
 
I am of the opinion of 5 or less... it has already passed in my home state of Massachusetts, and they JUST passed it here in France (fun protests!).

I think there will be some states that will take a long time to come around, but if more presidents come out in being in favor of same-sex marriage, and more people come out in support then I think it could become legal nation-wide in less than 5 years.

The question is will it only be left to the states? Then the question becomes how long will it take a state like Alabama or Texas to approve same-sex marriage, and that will certainly take a lot longer than 5 years.
 
wolfie said:
But they were protesting against gay rights...violent or not..
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So what?
What kind of "line of thinking" are you engaging in?
It is almost as if (not saying that you actually are,but it sure is beginning to get the appearance of) you are trying to make excuses for what those priests done.

They committed violent act.That is what they were arrested for,not their beliefs.


In NYC the Son of Sam was arrested for committing murders back in '76.
He wasn't arrested for exercising his 2nd Amendment Rights because he used a .44 handgun to commit them.
 
wolfie said:
What is this??

A gossip column??
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Hey, you opened the door, I just stepped through. You seem to be unable to tell the difference between violence, the threat of violence, expression of opinion and being fired for bad behavior. So I'm wondering if your being a guest of the state is a reflection of this general sort of confusion.
 
Verthaine said:
So what?
What kind of "line of thinking" are you engaging in?
It is almost as if (not saying that you actually are,but it sure is beginning to get the appearance of) you are trying to make excuses for what those priests done.

They committed violent act.That is what they were arrested for,not their beliefs.


In NYC the Son of Sam was arrested for committing murders back in '76.
He wasn't arrested for exercising his 2nd Amendment Rights because he used a .44 handgun to commit them.
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They threatened force..they didn't commit any violence..

I hardly think you can compare two priests threatening violence to the son of sam..
 
Cardinal said:
Hey, you opened the door, I just stepped through. You seem to be unable to tell the difference between violence, the threat of violence, expression of opinion and being fired for bad behavior. So I'm wondering if your being a guest of the state is a reflection of this general sort of confusion.
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Not just a nosy old bugger then?? (joke mods..joke!!)
 
wolfie said:
They threatened force..they didn't commit any violence..

I hardly think you can compare two priests threatening violence to the son of sam..
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And people can get arrested for threatening violence.

Examples:

Arrest after online posts seemingly threatened violence at fair - Fox 2 News Headlines

UPDATE: Maize Teacher Arrested For Threatening Violence Against School

Police Arrest OKC Man For Threatening Violence After Cat’s Death… |

So yes, threatening violence is a crime. Even if the threatened violence is against homosexuals or because of your religious beliefs.
 
wolfie said:
Not just a nosy old bugger then?? (joke mods..joke!!)
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I can see you wish you hadn't said you've been in jail or prison. Very well then. I just assumed if you were willing to reveal that about yourself you'd also be willing to go into more detail, but no matter.
 
wolfie said:
They threatened force..they didn't commit any violence..

I hardly think you can compare two priests threatening violence to the son of sam..
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Violence is illegal, and in most places the threat of violence is illegal. Learn what is and is not illegal and you can avoid a repeat of future prison time.
 
Cardinal said:
I can see you wish you hadn't said you've been in jail or prison. Very well then. I just assumed if you were willing to reveal that about yourself you'd also be willing to go into more detail, but no matter.
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Nope..never been to prison..(although I should have done!!)

Don't reveal any of your private life on here sweetheart..you will be pulled to pieces by the wolf pack...:shock:
 
wolfie said:
They threatened force..they didn't commit any violence..

I hardly think you can compare two priests threatening violence to the son of sam..
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They committed crimes.If you think this is a "freedom of speech" issue,tell you what,call your local police station and tell them you are going to go out beating up people and see what happens.
 
Verthaine said:
They committed crimes.If you think this is a "freedom of speech" issue,tell you what,call your local police station and tell them you are going to go out beating up people and see what happens.
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so..if I beat up a woman..it is an assault..

If I beat up a lesbian it is a gay attack?

As often happens here..black guys beat up a white person..it is an assault..

White guys beat up a black guy...it is a racially motivated crime..

Sheesh...
 
wolfie said:
so..if I beat up a woman..it is an assault..

If I beat up a lesbian it is a gay attack?

As often happens here..black guys beat up a white person..it is an assault..

White guys beat up a black guy...it is a racially motivated crime..

Sheesh...
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If you beat up a lesbian yelling about her being gay, that would be an attack motivated, in all likelihood, by her being gay. If you beat her up for some other reason, then you should be able to defend your other reasoning, if you were in fact yelling something at her about being her being a lesbian.

If a black guy is beating up a white guy and yelling stuff at him about him being white, then it is evidence of a racially motivated crime. If a white guy beats up a black guy for "getting in his face" and no racial epithets were stated by the white guy, then the prosecution would have to prove racial motivation some other way that is going to likely be hard to do, especially if all the evidence indicates that the white guy would have beat up any guy, no matter their race, for the same "offense".
 
roguenuke said:
If you beat up a lesbian yelling about her being gay, that would be an attack motivated, in all likelihood, by her being gay. If you beat her up for some other reason, then you should be able to defend your other reasoning, if you were in fact yelling something at her about being her being a lesbian.

If a black guy is beating up a white guy and yelling stuff at him about him being white, then it is evidence of a racially motivated crime. If a white guy beats up a black guy for "getting in his face" and no racial epithets were stated by the white guy, then the prosecution would have to prove racial motivation some other way that is going to likely be hard to do, especially if all the evidence indicates that the white guy would have beat up any guy, no matter their race, for the same "offense".
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This would probably work in a perfect world of course...

Unfortunately not in ours!!
 
wolfie said:
so..if I beat up a woman..it is an assault..

If I beat up a lesbian it is a gay attack?

As often happens here..black guys beat up a white person..it is an assault..

White guys beat up a black guy...it is a racially motivated crime..

Sheesh...
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Your words,not mine.
Doesn't matter to me what terminology people want to use,assaulting people is still wrong and should be punished to the full extent of the law.
Threatening to commit violence against someone for whatever reason is still wrong and should be punished to the full extent of the law.
You don't have a problem with that,do you?
 
roguenuke said:
If you beat up a lesbian yelling about her being gay, that would be an attack motivated, in all likelihood, by her being gay. If you beat her up for some other reason, then you should be able to defend your other reasoning, if you were in fact yelling something at her about being her being a lesbian.

If a black guy is beating up a white guy and yelling stuff at him about him being white, then it is evidence of a racially motivated crime. If a white guy beats up a black guy for "getting in his face" and no racial epithets were stated by the white guy, then the prosecution would have to prove racial motivation some other way that is going to likely be hard to do, especially if all the evidence indicates that the white guy would have beat up any guy, no matter their race, for the same "offense".
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Still, that's not sufficient for hate crime prosecution. It must be demonstrated that there was no other motivation and the attacker must be a member of or possess material from a recognized hate group that targets the victim's gender/etc.
 
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