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How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

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Peter Grimm said:
I thought you were gay.
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yes because the only way a person could support equal rights is to be gay LMAO

regardless:

gay marriage doesnt force morals on anybody thats just a lie that nobody honest will ever buy lol

why dont you live and let live and dont worry about OTHERS marriages
 
So, you're saying gay marriage is a right because a group of bigoted Maryland judges said it was a right. And other state supreme court justices then followed (were forced to follow) precedent.

You know, only one bigoted decision by the Maryland State Supreme Court lead to the multitude of gay marriage as a right decisions. Why haven't those same bigoted Maryland judges conferred it's a right for every student to always earn an A? Because they're not bigoted towards students? Why did those Maryland judges think there was such a need to think so far out of the box about marriage when judges usually don't think out of the box (they use precedents to rule)?

BTW J, this is your only argument for gay marriage. That some bigoted Maryland judges conferred marriage to gays.
 
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cabse5 said:
So, you're saying gay marriage is a right because a group of bigoted Maryland judges said it was a right. And other state supreme court justices then followed precedent.

You know, only one bigoted decision by the Maryland State Supreme Court lead to the multitude of gay marriage as a right decisions. Why haven't those same bigoted Maryland judges confered it's a right for every student to earn an A?
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do you know the meaning of the word bigoted?
 
chromium said:
This is classic false equivalence. All students have the *potential* to earn an A, whereas marriage equality is currently *impossible* for gay couples. One is earned and the other is a basic human right. Is that so hard to comprehend? There might be certain benefits to living in Alaska, but hardly anyone wants to live there, and Texans can always get a 3rd-4th fast food job to make up the difference. If Washington fans can't use the Dallas stadium, boohoo. It's not of any real consequence, and they can just start rooting for Dallas. Not like they're sober to know the difference anyway.

It's not just the word either, as civil unions will never be equal to marriage. This is the same reason a lot of straight couples do not wish to marry but do so anyway: the actual rights that are exclusive to marriage.
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I said right not potential. This is where the analogy is correct. If marriage is a right then earning an A on schoolwork should also be an right. If you want me to nitpit, everyone has the potential of getting married as long as one partner is a man and the other a woman.

Again, you're arguing about the one word:marriage. Gays can get all the rights of marriage in unions without being married.
Actually, I 'm also pointing out that the separate but equal institutions is illegal argument is fallacious.

And what was said previously makes sense. Have the gov't do away with recognizing marriages as tax deductions.

Finally, I know why gays want marriage. So they can be seen as the same as everyone else. Which is not a civil right - to be seen as the same as everybody else.
So much a different attitude for gays than in the 80s through the end of the century which was gays were different than everybody else.
 
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I said right not potential. This is where the analogy is correct. If marriage is a right then earning an A on schoolwork should also be an right. If you want me to nitpit, everyone has the potential of getting married as long as one partner is a man and the other a woman.

Again, you're arguing about the one word:marriage. Gays can get all the rights of marriage in unions without being married.
Actually, I 'm also pointing out that the separate but equal institutions is illegal argument is fallacious.

And what was said previously makes sense. Have the gov't do away with recognizing marriages as tax deductions.

Finally, I know why gays want marriage. So they can be seen as the same as everyone else. Which is not a civil right - to be seen as the same as everybody else.
So much a different attitude for gays than in the 80s through the end of the century which was gays were different than everybody else.
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People don't earn marriage from the government. You don't take a test or do things to win points in order to get into a marriage. Do you believe that this happens?

Civil marriage is a contract between two people making them legal spouses, which are legal kin.

And no, everyone does not have the "potential" to get married just because they are a man and a woman.

Name the other union in the US that gives every single right, benefit, and responsibility of marriage. Go ahead, tell us what that is that is legal right now. If there isn't any such union in existence, then marriage is the union they should have because anything else would unnecessarily cost the government, aka taxpayers, money to implement, for no other reason but to appease those like you who don't know how to share.

Marriage benefits the government when it comes to taxes. This whole argument about the tax deductions fails because the Congressional Budget Committee already found that marriage benefits them.

They want marriage for the same reasons opposite sex couples want marriage, because it comes with rights and benefits.
 
Strawman argument. IOW you surmise about something I posted, then rhetorically and probably successfully debate your point.
Boring.
 
cabse5 said:
Strawman argument. IOW you surmise about something I posted, then rhetorically and probably successfully debate your point.
Boring.
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So no real argument? Got it.

I will ask you again though, since it is based off of what you wrote. What legal union in the US gives every single right, benefit, and responsibility of marriage? You said

Gays can get all the rights of marriage in unions without being married.
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If you think this is true, then prove it.
 
The slippery slope fears can perhaps best be navigated by looking at the countries that have had same sex marriage for ten years or more.

In Canada, it's no longer an issue...although the debates beforehand were quite similar to these ones. Everything's fine. Life goes on. Pedophilia remains illegal. Dogs and cats are in most cases safe from sexual interference. And the Conservative Party (the lone opposition at the time) is still doing quite well.

In other words, it's the status quo...with one obvious improvement.

So what's the problem?
 
Strucker said:
The slippery slope fears can perhaps best be navigated by looking at the countries that have had same sex marriage for ten years or more.

In Canada, it's no longer an issue...although the debates beforehand were quite similar to these ones. Everything's fine. Life goes on. Pedophilia remains illegal. Dogs and cats are in most cases safe from sexual interference. And the Conservative Party (the lone opposition at the time) is still doing quite well.

In other words, it's the status quo...with one obvious improvement.

So what's the problem?
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Whew!
 
cabse5 said:
1.)So, you're saying gay marriage is a right because a group of bigoted Maryland judges said it was a right. And other state supreme court justices then followed (were forced to follow) precedent.

2.)You know, only one bigoted decision by the Maryland State Supreme Court lead to the multitude of gay marriage as a right decisions.
3.)Why haven't those same bigoted Maryland judges conferred it's a right for every student to always earn an A? Because they're not bigoted towards students? Why did those Maryland judges think there was such a need to think so far out of the box about marriage when judges usually don't think out of the box (they use precedents to rule)?

4.)BTW J, this is your only argument for gay marriage. That some bigoted Maryland judges conferred marriage to gays.
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1.) 100% false in multiple ways. First thats not what i said, secondly no they wouldnt be forced. Lastly what facts say these judges are bigoted LMAO wow you are desperate but you are losing.
2.) theres nothing bigoted about it
3.) because they arent morons, only a moron would think those are the same thing. See they lick to use FACTUALLY things like laws, rights, freedoms and liberities to make thier decesions. Theres nothign logical about giving everybody an A. It doesnt relate to anything that equal rights does.
4.) nope its the argument you make up i your head LOL

you lose again
 
cabse5 said:
So, you're saying gay marriage is a right because a group of bigoted Maryland judges said it was a right. And other state supreme court justices then followed (were forced to follow) precedent.

You know, only one bigoted decision by the Maryland State Supreme Court lead to the multitude of gay marriage as a right decisions. Why haven't those same bigoted Maryland judges conferred it's a right for every student to always earn an A? Because they're not bigoted towards students? Why did those Maryland judges think there was such a need to think so far out of the box about marriage when judges usually don't think out of the box (they use precedents to rule)?

BTW J, this is your only argument for gay marriage. That some bigoted Maryland judges conferred marriage to gays.
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Wondering if some of those who voted 'never' would like to step in and tell this guy to stop embarrassing their 'cause.' Calling someone a bigot, multiple times, for supporting a minority. Are you 12 or just out of control with hate or what?
 
Dooble said:
Polygamy among heterosexuals will probably be next. Then as morals continue to loosen, we'll see bigamy, polyandry, and polygamy among homosexuals entering the scene.
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Meh, if consenting adults understand the situation and we rewrite the tax law to prevent hiding taxes by multiple marriage, I really don't give a damn. Furthermore, if you marry more than 1 spouse, you're an idiot.

Beyond that I see younger folks getting more comfortable wearing government issue condoms, so look for pedophilia rates to drop steadily as the age of consent dips into the lower teens and eventually down to ages 11 or 12, or possibly even younger. And after that? Sky's the limit, really. We'll just have to wait and see where America's Enlightened guide us next.
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Good luck proving that 11 and 12 year olds are mature enough to give consent. I know you can't.
 
obvious Child said:
Indeed. Thus, get government out of marriage and replace it with civil unions.
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Rather, keep marriage as it is and give civil unions to the unbelievers: same rights, same privileges, and zero offense to the sanctity of marriage.
 
Dooble said:
Rather, keep marriage as it is and give civil unions to the unbelievers: same rights, same privileges, and zero offense to the sanctity of marriage.
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fact 1: seperate but equal is not separate
fact 2: equal rights for gays has ZERO effect to the sanctity of marriage
 
obvious Child said:
Meh, if consenting adults understand the situation and we rewrite the tax law to prevent hiding taxes by multiple marriage, I really don't give a damn.
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Relax, oC. Your tax worship is getting in the way of rational thinking. Why are liberals so obsessed with other people's money?

obvious Child said:
Good luck proving that 11 and 12 year olds are mature enough to give consent. I know you can't.
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That's because you know I won't. I have no reason to. But I do have reason to believe that if you think 11 - 12 year olds are mature enough to use condoms, then it's not a stretch to think you'll eventually work the age of consent down to 11.
 
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AGENT J said:
fact 1: seperate but equal is not separate
fact 2: equal rights for gays has ZERO effect to the sanctity of marriage
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1. Facts must also be accompanied with credible sources.
2. Agent J is not a credible source.
3. You've exceeded your daily allotment of nonsensical responses to me.
4. THINK next time, before you TYPE.
 
Dooble said:
1. Facts must also be accompanied with credible sources.
2. Agent J is not a credible source.
3. You've exceeded your daily allotment of nonsensical responses to me.
4. THINK next time, before you TYPE.
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thats what i thought you have NOTHING, no logic, no fact nothing honest to defend yourself, you lose again

LMAO pick up any history or law book, are you from america?

let us know when you can back up your claims :)
 
Dooble said:
Relax, oC. Your tax worship is getting in the way of rational thinking. Why are liberals so obsessed with other people's money?
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Perhaps if you had any knowledge of tax shelters, you wouldn't be making asinine statements like that? You argue from positions of ignorance all the time. This is one of them.

That's because you know I won't. I have no reason to. But I do have reason to believe that if you think 11 - 12 year olds are mature enough to use condoms, then it's not a stretch to think you'll eventually work the age of consent down to 11.
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11-12 year olds are not mature enough for sex. But that doesn't mean they don't do it. That alone is not proof of maturity for consent.
 
Dooble said:
1. Facts must also be accompanied with credible sources.
2. Agent J is not a credible source.
3. You've exceeded your daily allotment of nonsensical responses to me.
4. THINK next time, before you TYPE.
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Agent J is a credible source.
 
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