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How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

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Dooble said:
Apples & Oranges. Show me where science proves that EVERY homosexual on this planet was born gay. Blacks and Women had a legit argument. Homosexuals, don't.
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I buy that many... probably most... are born gay, but not every single one. I have known several who were very adamant that it was a choice for them. Primarily women. One woman was very straight forward about it... she got tired of men treating her like garbage, and women treated her better.

Humans are such a complex species that the notion that they/we do anything consistently and without exception is patently absurd.
 
AGENT J said:
indeed this certainly doesnt take away all of the great accomplishments and freedoms we have I just find it surprising that this is one of the things we are behind on. Just shocking we werent among the first.

and on a funny side note but also kind of serious why are we still fighting the metric system lol
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It's really not surprising at all to me to see Uruguay or Iceland come around to this well before the US. This has almost always been a puritanical country, so despite the founders' wisdom on keeping church and state separate, we really don't have that, at all. Hell, sodomy laws were still enforced while Holland had legal gay marriage. Same deal with assisted suicide or anything else religion claims tyranny over.
 
radcen said:
I buy that many... probably most... are born gay, but not every single one. I have known several who were very adamant that it was a choice for them. Primarily women. One woman was very straight forward about it... she got tired of men treating her like garbage, and women treated her better.

Humans are such a complex species that the notion that they/we do anything consistently and without exception is patently absurd.
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That is interesting about some lesbians, but can you really blame them. Still, unlike some others I'd rather ask and take their word for it than claim to know everything.
 
radcen said:
I buy that many... probably most... are born gay, but not every single one. I have known several who were very adamant that it was a choice for them. Primarily women. One woman was very straight forward about it... she got tired of men treating her like garbage, and women treated her better.
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Sounds like she was unable to deal with her bad dating choices and took an easy way out.
 
0bserver92 said:
The entire purpose of a democracy is being bale to create, change, and repeal laws and policy based on a society's forever changing values. If we are not allowed to change the law blacks would still be enslaved, women wouldn't be bale to vote, etc.
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Great. Then get the laws changed without breaking them first. Sometimes I get the feeling that Democrats esteem themselves above everyone, and everything, else.
 
Dooble said:
And I'd love to show it. Let's start here:

Legalize polygamy: Marriage equality for all. - Slate Magazine

Please comment on this purported straw man..... I'd love to see it. ;)
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LMAO

you obviously dont understand what facts are

an article stating somebodys opinion of what they think could happen is not a fact

YOU said open the floodgates for every conceivable form of marriage under the sun.

I asked for examples of this happening, you provided ZERO so far

try again, because your strawman is still a failure.

also just a lesson, the precedence being set by gay marriage wouldnt apply to polygamy BUT id support it anyway. Focus on that word, precedence.


we need examples of what you said happening, we'd STILL love to see it, GO!
 
AGENT J said:
LMAO

you obviously dont understand what facts are
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You obviously don't understand how facts are used. Please stop pretending that you know anything. You're embarrassing yourself. FACT ONE: SOMEONE is clamoring for something other than gay marriage. In this case, it's polygamy. FACT TWO: more people are going to be clamoring for polygamy as more states cave under pressure from the Left. FACT THREE: IF and WHEN gay marriage is legalized, more people will be clamoring for other types of marriage besides polygamy and gay marriage. It doesn't end with homosexuals.
 
Dooble said:
You obviously don't understand how facts are used. Please stop pretending that you know anything. You're embarrassing yourself. FACT ONE: SOMEONE is clamoring for something other than gay marriage. In this case, it's polygamy. FACT TWO: more people are going to be clamoring for polygamy as more states cave under pressure from the Left. FACT THREE: IF and WHEN gay marriage is legalized, more people will be clamoring for other types of marriage. It doesn't end with homosexuals, AGENT J.
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translation: you have zero examples of what you said actually happening, THATS WHAT I THOUGHT.

thanks for your failed strawman, let us know when you have facts to back up your false claims

your failed strawman reminds me of:
"if we make minorities equal we might as well make horses equal, whats next?"
"if we let woman vote whats next my dog gets to vote?"

sorry this type of nonsensical, inane, hyperbolic, failed strawman didnt work then and it certainly doesnt work now

fact: people want and have wanted polygamy for YEARS, this wont change based on equal rights for gays LMAO
If polygamy is ever legal they will have to fight their own battle and it wont have anything to do with equal rights for gays, nice try but nobody educated about this subject buys that BS

please tell me that cool line about embarrassing myself again? eventhough you cant back up your failed argument with any facts at all? LMAO

FAIL

we will keep waiting though!
 
Dooble said:
I thought I just gave you one. Here, let's try this again:

Legalize polygamy: Marriage equality for all. - Slate Magazine

As I said before, it doesn't stop with homosexuals.
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no you factually didnt, and you still have not LMAO
your statement is 100% false and ac complete failure, you have ZERO facts to support it.

Let us know when you can provide FACTUAL EXAMPLES of what you said happening.
Dooble said:
it'll open the floodgates for every conceivable form of marriage under the sun.
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let us know we'd love to see it and we will keep waiting.
 
AGENT J said:
no you factually didnt, and you still have not LMAO
your statement is 100% false and ac complete failure, you have ZERO facts to support it.

Let us know when you can provide FACTUAL EXAMPLES of what you said happening.


let us know we'd love to see it and we will keep waiting.
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Dude, do you even know what you're trying to argue? Please provide facts that you're arguing on the same page as me. We'll start with what you think my point is.
 
Dooble said:
Dude, do you even know what you're trying to argue? Please provide facts that you're arguing on the same page as me. We'll start with what you think my point is.
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are you going to try to back pedal now and re-frame your false claim?
if you want to show integrity you could simply say you misspoke and what you said was wrong.

what i think has nothing to do with it and im not arguing anything.

You made a false claim, posters called you on it and when asked to back it up you cant:shrug:

you misspoke no big deal just admit it. This is a false statement, a strawman that you cant back up
it'll open the floodgates for every conceivable form of marriage under the sun.
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AGENT J said:
are you going to try to back pedal now and re-frame your false claim?
if you want to show integrity you could simply say you misspoke and what you said was wrong.

what i think has nothing to do with it and im not arguing anything.

You made a false claim, posters called you on it and when asked to back it up you cant:shrug:

you misspoke no big deal just admit it. This is a false statement, a strawman that you cant back up
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So you can't argue a point without sounding high. I get it. Maybe you really are high. See, I laid out what the future has in store, and it's really quite logical, if you think about it. If gay marriage becomes legal in the US, then other forms of marriage are sure to follow. It's the only fair thing to do, is it not? Besides, I don't see why you're fighting this conclusion, to begin with. Why aren't you clamoring for "everything under the sun" too? You certainly seem enlightened and Left enough....
 
Dooble said:
So you can't argue a point without sounding high. I get it. Maybe you really are high. See, I laid out what the future has in store, and it's really quite logical, if you think about it. If gay marriage becomes legal in the US, then other forms of marriage are sure to follow. It's the only fair thing to do, is it not? Besides, I don't see why you're fighting this conclusion, to begin with. Why aren't you clamoring for "everything under the sun" too? You certainly seem enlightened and Left enough....
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Failed insults and you inability to be civil just further proves that you know you statement was BS and now you have no logical path to take LMAO
You laid out a strawman that you cant back up with facts and still havent, we exposed that and now you are trying to deflect but thats not working either.

You also dont understand laws and rights and equality etc.
im not GLAMORING for "everything under the sun" because i understand how reality, facts, laws, freedoms and liberty works and they dont support "everything under the sun"
thanks for further showing how little you understand about this topic.

again the PRECEDENCE for gay marriage will not lend itself to polygamy :shrug:

but like i said id support polygamy also.

Now if you would, stop the dancing and spinning and simply provide FACTS that prove your failed strawman to be true. Ill keep waiting. Can you?
 
AGENT J said:
Ill keep waiting. Can you?
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Actually, no. It's bedtime, and your arguments are inconsistent and absurd. Perhaps I'll break this nonsense down tomorrow if I'm in a charitable mood.
 
Dooble said:
Actually, no. It's bedtime, and your arguments are inconsistent and absurd. Perhaps I'll break this nonsense down tomorrow if I'm in a charitable mood.
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Translation: YOU GOT NOTHING lol
why do you lie? whats inconsistent and absurd about it, do you think using words like that helps you save face? LMAO nobody is fooled.

i made no argument ive been point out the same thing the whole time now you are trying to lie, do you think the posts disappear? The proof is all here

now i have TWO question for you.

1.) lets us know when you can support your failed false claims with FACTS please tell us the facts that support your statement we'd love to here it
2.) after that when was i "inconsistent" please quote where my posts changed and were not consistent, id love to read that too

ok go!
 
Dooble said:
So you can't argue a point without sounding high. I get it. Maybe you really are high. See, I laid out what the future has in store, and it's really quite logical, if you think about it. If gay marriage becomes legal in the US, then other forms of marriage are sure to follow. It's the only fair thing to do, is it not? Besides, I don't see why you're fighting this conclusion, to begin with. Why aren't you clamoring for "everything under the sun" too? You certainly seem enlightened and Left enough....
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First of all, it is heterosexual marriage that opens the floodgates, as it were, for other claims. Why ignore the first cause?

Second, the other claims can live or die on their own merits and demerits. This doesn't affect the rightness of those working towards legalization of same sex marriage.
 
AGENT J said:
ok go!
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Uh, not a chance.

Somehow your nonsense slipped through the cracks, and that's not going to happen again. We'll start right here, at the beginning:

First off, I said that legalizing gay marriage WILL open the floodgates to every form of marriage under the sun. I did not say gay marriage has been ruled constitutional by the SC, therefore it HAS opened the floodgates to every form of marriage under the sun. Apparently you thought I said the latter, for this what you posted:

AGENT J said:
want to point out where gay equal rights was granted for gays and it lead opening the floodgates for every conceivable form of marriage under the sun.
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You see, AJ, this post of yours is what is called a disconnect. It means that your comment has nothing to do with what I posted, nor has it anything to do with reality. In your post, you are barking for facts when there aren't any available. You can't provide facts for something that hasn't happened yet. It's virtually impossible. The Supreme Court has not made its ruling on gay marriage, therefore, the legal definition of marriage remains as between a man and a woman. There are no facts available based on your query.

Now, I can understand that you might have made a mistake. You're human. God knows you want to be heard, so it's understandable that you jumped the gun after failing to absorb my message properly. On the other hand, there is also the chance that you knew exactly what I was saying, but you decided to try and distort my message because you didn't like what you were reading. I like to think that you are more like the former, but honestly, I just don't know.

My statement was a prediction; not a statement of fact. It is impossible to make a statement of fact on something that doesn't exist. Based on my PREDICTIONS, making gay marriage constitutional will open the floodgates to every form of marriage under the sun. THIS is logic, not fact, because why? That's right; because the Supreme Court has not made its ruling yet.

Now, this debate went as long as it did only because I was exhausted. If you would like to retract your question and come back with a fresh, intelligent, response, please feel free to do so. ;)
 
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Dooble said:
1.)Uh, not a chance.

Somehow your nonsense slipped through the cracks, and that's not going to happen again. We'll start right here, at the beginning:

First off, I said that legalizing gay marriage WILL open the floodgates to every form of marriage under the sun. I did not say gay marriage has been ruled constitutional by the SC, therefore it HAS opened the floodgates to every form of marriage under the sun. Apparently you thought I said the latter, for this what you posted:



You see, AJ, this post of yours is what is called a disconnect. It means that your comment has nothing to do with what I posted, nor has it anything to do with reality. In your post, you are barking for facts when there aren't any available. You can't provide facts for something that hasn't happened yet. It's virtually impossible. The Supreme Court has not made its ruling on gay marriage, therefore, the legal definition of marriage remains as between a man and a woman. There are no facts available based on your query.

Now, I can understand that you might have made a mistake. You're human. God knows you want to be heard, so it's understandable that you jumped the gun after failing to absorb my message properly. On the other hand, there is also the chance that you knew exactly what I was saying, but you decided to try and distort my message because you didn't like what you were reading. I like to think that you are more like the former, but honestly, I just don't know.

My statement was a prediction; not a statement of fact. It is impossible to make a statement of fact on something that doesn't exist. Based on my PREDICTIONS, making gay marriage constitutional will open the floodgates to every form of marriage under the sun. THIS is logic, not fact, because why? That's right; because the Supreme Court has not made its ruling yet.

Now, this debate went as long as it did only because I was exhausted. If you would like to retract your question and come back with a fresh, intelligent, response, please feel free to do so. ;)
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1.) translation you have ZERO proof to back up your strawman and its a failed argument.
ALso please dont lie and put words in my mouth i never claims you said anything than what you actually did all i have done is ask for proof of what you said happening and you have provided ZERO.

2.) THATS WHAT I THOUGHT :lamo
A complete 100% back pedal!!!!
do you really think anybody honest is going to buy this back pedal?

as I said you have ZERO facts to back up your claims, you lose and your straw-man has failed and all the dancing and dodging wont change that fact.

Your guess is nonsensical, inane, ranting because gay marriage exists in some stats and many countries and theres ZERO evidence to support you claim.

nice try you fail, lets us know when you have something factual and logical to support your "guess"

Thanks for playing.
 
digsbe said:
On a federal level? Hopefully never.
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Ahm, excuse me, but some decisions that affect lives of gays are made exclusively on the federal level. For example, the bride visas: we heterosexuals can easily "import" our chosen partners from outside of the country. Gays cannot. How fair is that?

If some states like Alabama or Mississippi are going to resist gay marriage for another decade or three - that's their prerogative. I don't believe the feds should (or can, constitutionally) force them to do the right thing. But the feds themselves should absolutely rectify the injustice in their own domain, as soon as possible.
 
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Dooble said:
Uh, not a chance.

First off, I said that legalizing gay marriage WILL open the floodgates to every form of marriage under the sun.


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In your post, you are barking for facts when there aren't any available. You can't provide facts for something that hasn't happened yet. It's virtually impossible. The Supreme Court has not made its ruling on gay marriage, therefore, the legal definition of marriage remains as between a man and a woman. There are no facts available based on your query.
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Sure there are. In other countries, including your closest neighbour...perhaps the best example, since Canada and the US are culturally very similar. Also, we were having the selfsame debates and discussions beforehand.

So let's take a look....uh, nope. Canada is not suffering from this Slippery Slope dilemma.

I understand that doesn't prove that the US will not...but it seems a safe bet.
 
Strucker said:
Sure there are. In other countries, including your closest neighbour...perhaps the best example, since Canada and the US are culturally very similar. Also, we were having the selfsame debates and discussions beforehand.

So let's take a look....uh, nope. Canada is not suffering from this Slippery Slope dilemma.

I understand that doesn't prove that the US will not...but it seems a safe bet.
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shhhhhhhhhhhh dont rain on his parade
 
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