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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    Not sure i understand what you are say. This is already the case, legal marriage has nothing to do with religion what so ever its a non-factor. And you say you want fed, state and local out of it (which will never happen ever) but u mention justice of the peace, im confused what you want.

    But either way Government is never getting out of marriage thats just unrealistic and the poll is about what you THINK will happen not what you want. But i am still curious about what you want since you brought it up.
    There are places where you have to get a marriage license, that should not be legal and it's an excuse to set the rules of who can get married and creates a taxable event. Next, the only time legalization of marriage matters if for benefits, and transfers of property(will, trusts, divorce). What I'm saying is we need to have a system that eliminates any marriage license requirement for religious unions, all civil unions performed must comply with anti-discrimination laws, and once a union is performed the government at all levels must recognize it.
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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Not to lump you in with all Libertarians as I'm perfectly aware that you're not Borg, but removing the government from marriage has been consistently a Libertarian postion on this forum, and not once has a Libertarian been able to coherently explain to me why I should share their enthusiasm for doing so. Every "solution" they come up with is invariably a gigantic pain in the ass compared to the current system.
    It's not really that much different except in this instance you can craft your own contract or at the very least half different offerings available. There is a few details that I'm not aware of like what the military offers married couples, but I can't imagine why that couldn't just be transfered to another system. Then there is also child custody issues, but again, easy transfer to existing systems.

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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    It's not really that much different except in this instance you can craft your own contract or at the very least half different offerings available. There is a few details that I'm not aware of like what the military offers married couples, but I can't imagine why that couldn't just be transfered to another system.
    Right now one system is in place for recognizing the legitimacy of marriage throughout all fifty states. Remove the Federal government and my marriage (as gay marriage is currently) at the mercy of the arbitrary opinion of every state I travel in.

    No thanks.

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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    1.)There are places where you have to get a marriage license, that should not be legal and it's an excuse to set the rules of who can get married and creates a taxable event.
    2.) Next, the only time legalization of marriage matters if for benefits, and transfers of property(will, trusts, divorce).
    3.) What I'm saying is we need to have a system that eliminates any marriage license requirement for religious unions
    4.), all civil unions performed must comply with anti-discrimination laws, and once a union is performed the government at all levels must recognize it.
    1.) maybe but i see it as a way to set up the contract
    2.) yes some of this stuff is the most important parts and theres no other way to do it in one contract or make it as historically and legal binding
    3.) we dont have thous now so theres nothing to eliminate
    4.) this im ok with but how do we set up a national legal contract without involving government
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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    hopefully the SCOTUS will find that it falls under the equal protection clause this summer.

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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Right now one system is in place for recognizing the legitimacy of marriage throughout all fifty states. Remove the Federal government and my marriage (as gay marriage is currently) at the mercy of the arbitrary opinion of every state I travel in.

    No thanks.
    not to mention its an ass backwards approach that is illogical, way more work to do the same thing but harder and weaker and wouldnt have the legal precedence that marriage already has
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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) maybe but i see it as a way to set up the contract
    We already have contract law in the U.S., we really don't need anything specific for marriage contracts which is why the license system is unnecessary.
    2.) yes some of this stuff is the most important parts and theres no other way to do it in one contract or make it as historically and legal binding
    Maybe, but that's why we have divorce and family court. The only time there is a secondary clause in the contract is a pre nuptual agreement, and that is only to protect certain assets prior to vows.
    3.) we dont have thous now so theres nothing to eliminate
    "We" may not in the U.S. but there are United States locales that do have that requirement. That's one major problem to marriage reciprocity and actually allows for governments that don't agree with homosexual marriage to ignore that couple's contract.
    4.) this im ok with but how do we set up a national legal contract without involving government[/QUOTE][/QUOTE] Treat it like other contracts between individuals. For instance if I sign an insurance contract here and move to NYC the contract is still valid, same with marriage.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    not to mention its an ass backwards approach that is illogical, way more work to do the same thing but harder and weaker and wouldnt have the legal precedence that marriage already has
    It's a bloody mess is what it is. I find it funny that this discussion consistently brings up the proposal to eliminate one of the few institutions (government recognized marriages) that actually functions halfway decently.

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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Right now one system is in place for recognizing the legitimacy of marriage throughout all fifty states. Remove the Federal government and my marriage (as gay marriage is currently) at the mercy of the arbitrary opinion of every state I travel in.

    No thanks.
    Why do you keep going back to the idea that the state would not respect your private contract?

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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Why do you keep going back to the idea that the state would not respect your private contract?
    Why should it be obliged to under your scenario?

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