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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    No. It assumes that if 5 or more Justices honestly tried to pull some crap saying that same sex marriages were unconstitutional, they would have to provide the actual Constitutional Clause that made same sex marriages unconstitutional. They can say that states have a right to ban same sex marriage. But without a Constitutional Amendment specifically banning same sex marriages, then there is no reasoning available from the Constitution to support such a ruling. It would likely cause a major issue with our SCOTUS. The public would be demanding the Court be held responsible for trying to say something that is in no way supported by the Constitution itself.

    The Court has never declared something besides a law or act or government action unconstitutional, and even then, it was a restriction on actions by the government on some party in pretty much all cases.
    don't underestimate what justices can come up with ... remember when they used the tax argument to say ACA was constitutional?

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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by windowdressing View Post
    don't underestimate what justices can come up with ... remember when they used the tax argument to say ACA was constitutional?
    Which, although I disagree with it, it is still nowhere near the same thing as trying to claim that same sex marriage being legal violates the Constitution in any way. If they did, it would include other types of marriage that would also violate the Constitution, and that would cause many issues.

    No, it is not reasonable to believe that any SCOTUS would declare same sex marriage unconstitutional.
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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Which, although I disagree with it, it is still nowhere near the same thing as trying to claim that same sex marriage being legal violates the Constitution in any way. If they did, it would include other types of marriage that would also violate the Constitution, and that would cause many issues.

    No, it is not reasonable to believe that any SCOTUS would declare same sex marriage unconstitutional.
    It's important to understand that judges, including the Supremes, often know what their ruling is going to be on the day they hear the case. They then research the law for precedent or statute to back up what they already decided they wanted.

    With regard to SSM, although we might have a larger step towards SSM endorsed, it would be too sweeping and transformational for the Supreme Court to declare it the law of the land. A little something for everybody, no clear victory for anyone. Everyone remains angry and upset, just like with abortion and immigration. America travels further down the road to permanent status as an angry desperate country filled with hate and devoid of a common culture.
    Last edited by Ray410; 06-14-13 at 05:36 PM.

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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Which, although I disagree with it, it is still nowhere near the same thing as trying to claim that same sex marriage being legal violates the Constitution in any way. If they did, it would include other types of marriage that would also violate the Constitution, and that would cause many issues.

    No, it is not reasonable to believe that any SCOTUS would declare same sex marriage unconstitutional.
    All of those Catholics on the bench make me nervous. I do think that you're right, the court will make the right call, but I'll be very surprised if it's 9-0. What do you think it will be?

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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    It's important to understand that judges, including the Supremes, know what their ruling is going to be on the day they hear the case. They then research the law for precedent or statute to back up what they want.
    the constitution says whatever a majority of the justices say it says ...

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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by windowdressing View Post
    All of those Catholics on the bench make me nervous. I do think that you're right, the court will make the right call, but I'll be very surprised if it's 9-0. What do you think it will be?
    While I absolutely believe you are right, there is a big difference between declaring laws against same sex marriage constitutional and declaring same sex marriage unconstitutional.
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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    It's important to understand that judges, including the Supremes, know what their ruling is going to be on the day they hear the case. They then research the law for precedent or statute to back up what they want.
    It is not logical to believe that any of the Justices would even try to declare same sex marriage unconstitutional, let alone at least 5 of them.

    Now, they could certainly declare the same sex marriage bans constitutional, but that is not the same thing as declaring same sex marriage itself unconstitutional.
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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    It is not logical to believe that any of the Justices would even try to declare same sex marriage unconstitutional, let alone at least 5 of them.

    Now, they could certainly declare the same sex marriage bans constitutional, but that is not the same thing as declaring same sex marriage itself unconstitutional.
    If they don't want it enacted, they will look for ways to so rule without resorting to any constitutional interpretation.

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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    No idea...the sooner the better.

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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    If they don't want it enacted, they will look for ways to so rule without resorting to any constitutional interpretation.
    They cannot legitimately make that argument. There would be a lot of people who would contend such a ruling and even Congress and the President would have to admit that it was not a legitimate ruling. It just would be too far reaching.
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