View Poll Results: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Ninth Amendment to the United States Constitution
    The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
    Which rights are being denied or disparaged?

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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    All marriages recognized by the State are civil marriages irregardless if a preist, rabbi or witch doctor performs the ceremony.
    My own marriage was performed by a Navy wife who was doing them to make extra money for her family. She was ordained over the internet and authorized by the state to sign marriage certificates as an officiant for that state.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by cabse5 View Post
    Which rights are being denied or disparaged?
    The right to marriage itself and the right to equal protection of the laws.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by cabse5 View Post
    Which rights are being denied or disparaged?
    The right of Marriage

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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    On the same grounds that have been used by many judges in the past for other issues, including segregation and interracial marriage, to name a few, people being treated differently based on arbitrary traits and the difference in treatment by the law cannot be shown to actually further a state interest. That violates our 14th Amendment.

    But your contention was that the SCOTUS would find same sex marriage unconstitutional. In order for that to occur, same sex marriage would have to violate a Constitutional Clause. You would need to show what actual Constitutional Clause is violated by same sex marriage being legal. Even the judges' rulings finding marriage could not be restricted to opposite sex only couples is not unconstitutional.
    If, for example, a test case was brought before the Iowa Supreme Court saying that SSM (declared by that state) denied the rights of the christian religion, and violated the first amendment, there you go. A SSC decision will have to be made. It's really not all that hard. Maybe, wait for judges to retire, to have judges with a different ideology than the ones that deemed SSM.

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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    What is this right to marriage?

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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by windowdressing View Post
    this assumes that the Justices don't have an agenda and always rule on the basis of the constitution ...
    No. It assumes that if 5 or more Justices honestly tried to pull some crap saying that same sex marriages were unconstitutional, they would have to provide the actual Constitutional Clause that made same sex marriages unconstitutional. They can say that states have a right to ban same sex marriage. But without a Constitutional Amendment specifically banning same sex marriages, then there is no reasoning available from the Constitution to support such a ruling. It would likely cause a major issue with our SCOTUS. The public would be demanding the Court be held responsible for trying to say something that is in no way supported by the Constitution itself.

    The Court has never declared something besides a law or act or government action unconstitutional, and even then, it was a restriction on actions by the government on some party in pretty much all cases.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    No. Gay marriage can be declared unconstitutional and therefore, sacked.

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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by cabse5 View Post
    If, for example, a test case was brought before the Iowa Supreme Court saying that SSM (declared by that state) denied the rights of the christian religion, and violated the first amendment, there you go. A SSC decision will have to be made. It's really not all that hard. Maybe, wait for judges to retire, to have judges with a different ideology than the ones that deemed SSM.
    Except this couldn't happen because same sex marriage being legal cannot be shown to deny any rights to Christians, nor does it violate the 1st Amendment because they are still completely free to practice their religion, including denying same sex couples marriages. It would be like trying to claim that interfaith marriage denies rights to some Jews or Mormons or Orthodox Greeks because they don't approve of such marriages and would not allow such couples to be married in their churches. There is no legal argument there.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by cabse5 View Post
    No. Gay marriage can be declared unconstitutional and therefore, sacked.
    Okay make your case......

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