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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    I agree with Goodrich V. dep't of health. Give (same sex) unions all the rights and responsibilties of civil marriage. I also agree with the Supreme Court of Hawaii's decision in 1993 that said much the same as above.

    Allowing marriage for everyone is much different (and is what gay marriage advocates advocate) than Hawaii's SSC ruling in 1993, or Goodrich v. dep't of health ruling.
    Last edited by cabse5; 06-14-13 at 02:52 PM.

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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by cabse5 View Post
    I agree with Goodrich V. dep't of health. Give unions all the rights and responsibilties of civil marriage.
    All marriages recognized by the State are civil marriages irregardless if a preist, rabbi or witch doctor performs the ceremony.

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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    All marriages recognized by the State are civil marriages irregardless if a preist, rabbi or witch doctor performs the ceremony.
    According to whom? The state of Iowa, or Massachusetts or ... Need to clarify that. And what was the precedent they chose, the reason those courts concluded thus?
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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by cabse5 View Post
    According to whom?

    The State and The US Constitution, Establishment clause.

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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    So basically one plurality of state judges can define, let's say, discrimination and the whole of the US is forced to follow suit? Not very fair. What if that plurality of judges has an ideology other than the state's constitution?

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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by cabse5 View Post
    So basically one plurality of state judges can define, let's say, discrimination and the whole of the US is forced to follow suit? Not very fair.
    Uhhhmmm no The Massachusetts decision only affected Massachusetts.

    I can not believe I'm about to ask this....

    Have you ever taken a civics class?

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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    I'm using, with my last post, discrimination (which many gay marriage advocates use to obfuscate the gay marriage issue). They say SSM couples are being discriminated against, and that conclusively and constitutionally demands gay marriage be allowed.

    I'm not sure what's inside your head. Why don't you explain? Prove gay marriage is constitutional.
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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by cabse5 View Post
    I'm using, with my last post, discrimination (which many gay marriage advocates use to obfuscate the gay marriage issue). The say SSM couples are being discriminated against, and that conclusively and constitutionally demands gay marriage be allowed.

    I'm not sure what's inside your head. Why don't you explain? Prove gay marriage is constitutional.
    Ninth Amendment to the United States Constitution
    The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by cabse5 View Post
    On what grounds did the original plurality of state supreme court judges deem that prohibiting marriage to everyone is unconstitutional? That original decision of marriage for everyone is way out of the box, especially when judges use precedents in their decision making. Which precedents were were being violated?

    If one group of judges can go way out of the box to make decisions, why can't another group of judges go way out of the box to make a 'reversal' decision? Ya know, for example, prohibition was repealed. I believe in the prohibition reversal, public opinion did as much as anything to cause the reversal. There isn't a plurality of americans who believe in marriage for everyone, yet.
    On the same grounds that have been used by many judges in the past for other issues, including segregation and interracial marriage, to name a few, people being treated differently based on arbitrary traits and the difference in treatment by the law cannot be shown to actually further a state interest. That violates our 14th Amendment.

    But your contention was that the SCOTUS would find same sex marriage unconstitutional. In order for that to occur, same sex marriage would have to violate a Constitutional Clause. You would need to show what actual Constitutional Clause is violated by same sex marriage being legal. Even the judges' rulings finding marriage could not be restricted to opposite sex only couples is not unconstitutional.
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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

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