View Poll Results: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by cabse5 View Post
    What if a state supreme court deemes that allowing gay marriage is unconstitutional? What happens then? Is the precedent gone? Is there no discrimination if gay marriage isn't allowed?

    Of course, the union of a same sex couple will receive all the same rights and responsiblitlies as in marriage through state legislation already created or through state legislaton that can easily be created.
    On what grounds, under what Constitutional basis could they possibly rule that allowing same sex marriage was unconstitutional?

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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    On what grounds, under what Constitutional basis could they possibly rule that allowing same sex marriage was unconstitutional?

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    yeah i cant wait to hear read this either
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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    On what grounds, under what Constitutional basis could they possibly rule that allowing same sex marriage was unconstitutional?

    This should be good.
    On what grounds did the original plurality of state supreme court judges deem that prohibiting marriage to everyone is unconstitutional? That original decision of marriage for everyone is way out of the box, especially when judges use precedents in their decision making. Which precedents were were being violated?

    If one group of judges can go way out of the box to make decisions, why can't another group of judges go way out of the box to make a 'reversal' decision? Ya know, for example, prohibition was repealed. I believe in the prohibition reversal, public opinion did as much as anything to cause the reversal. There isn't a plurality of americans who believe in marriage for everyone, yet.
    Last edited by cabse5; 06-14-13 at 02:31 PM.

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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by cabse5 View Post
    On what grounds did the original plurality of state supreme court judges deem that prohibiting marriage to everyone is unconstitutional? That original decision of marriage for everyone is why out of the box, especially when judges use precedents in their decision making. Which precedents were were being violated?

    If one group of judges can go why out of the box to make decisions, why can't another group of judges go way out of the box to make a 'reversal' decision? Ya know, for example, prohibition was repealed.
    Prohibition was not repealed by judges.

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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Prohibition was not repealed by judges.
    A reversal was made. That's my point. I know your point: to nitpick. I used prohibition as an example of a reversal of law.

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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by cabse5 View Post
    A reversal was made. That's my point. I know your point: to nitpick. I used prohibition as an example of a reversal of law.
    You compared apples and Oranges.

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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Can the marriage for everyone law in some states be repealed? The answer is yes. No apples to oranges. Continue to nitpick.

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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    On what grounds, under what Constitutional basis could they possibly rule that allowing same sex marriage was unconstitutional?

    This should be good.
    this assumes that the Justices don't have an agenda and always rule on the basis of the constitution ...

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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by windowdressing View Post
    this assumes that the Justices don't have an agenda and always rule on the basis of the constitution ...
    Exactly. a bane on judges with agendas..

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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by cabse5 View Post
    On what grounds did the original plurality of state supreme court judges deem that prohibiting marriage to everyone is unconstitutional? .
    Rational basis review

    Rational basis review, in U.S. constitutional law, refers to the lowest of three levels of scrutiny applied by courts when considering constitutional questions, including due process or equal protection questions under the Fifth Amendment or Fourteenth Amendment. "Rational basis review" simply means that the enactment in question is "rationally related" to a "legitimate" governmental reason offered as its justification. Rational basis review is the lowest, default level of scrutiny that a court applies when engaging in judicial review in the United States. The higher levels of scrutiny are intermediate scrutiny and strict scrutiny. Rational basis review does not usually apply in situations where a suspect or quasi-suspect classification is involved, or a fundamental right is implicated.

    Rational basis review - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Goodridge v. Department of Public Health

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    In a 50-page, 4–3 ruling on November 18, 2003,[3] the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court found that the state may not "deny the protections, benefits and obligations conferred by civil marriage to two individuals of the same sex who wish to marry."
    The court gave the State Legislature 180 days to "take such action as it may deem appropriate" before issuing marriage licenses to same-sex couples.[1]

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