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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfie View Post
    This would probably work in a perfect world of course...

    Unfortunately not in ours!!
    While our world may not be perfect,the scenarios that roguenuke describes works way more times than it doesn't.

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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfie View Post
    so..if I beat up a woman..it is an assault..

    If I beat up a lesbian it is a gay attack?

    As often happens here..black guys beat up a white person..it is an assault..

    White guys beat up a black guy...it is a racially motivated crime..

    Sheesh...
    It can be argued that designating certain crimes as "hate crimes" is more convoluted than it needs to be, but there is one simple truth that stands out: don't commit assault, don't threaten assault, and you won't be arrested, whatever the designation of that assault may be.

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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfie View Post
    so..if I beat up a woman..it is an assault..

    If I beat up a lesbian it is a gay attack?

    As often happens here..black guys beat up a white person..it is an assault..

    White guys beat up a black guy...it is a racially motivated crime..

    Sheesh...
    Proving a hate crime is a rather difficult thing to do. You have to prove that the crime was primarily motivated by race, ethnicity, religion, gender, sexual orientation, etc.

    A white guy getting into a random fight with a black guy = not a hate crime.

    A group of white supremacists assaulting a black person, tying him to the back of a truck, and then driving for a couple miles, eventually killing him (such as what happened in Jasper, Texas) = hate crime.

    See the difference?
    Last edited by zstep18; 06-08-13 at 01:39 PM.

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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    It can be argued that designating certain crimes as "hate crimes" is more convoluted than it needs to be, but there is one simple truth that stands out: don't commit assault, don't threaten assault, and you won't be arrested, whatever the designation of that assault may be.
    I think it is important that we deal with organized terrorism as a higher crime than random violence, as it does more damage to society.

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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfie View Post
    This would probably work in a perfect world of course...

    Unfortunately not in ours!!
    Then fight it if it happens to you. But stop complaining about it as if it has some significance in this thread or even anything else you posted in this thread, because it doesn't. We were not talking about punishment (which is what hate crime laws deal with) in dealing with those already charged with a crime and the motivation for those crimes. We were talking about actually charging people with a "hate crime" with no other crime involved.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I think it is important that we deal with organized terrorism as a higher crime than random violence, as it does more damage to society.
    That may be so, but it is a distinction that is far above the comprehension of someone who can't tell the difference between assault, threats of assault, freedom of speech, bad behavior on the job, being fired for that bad behavior...they're all mushed together in her brain somehow. I was just trying to simplify the concepts as much as humanly possible for her.

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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by Verthaine View Post
    Your words,not mine.
    Doesn't matter to me what terminology people want to use,assaulting people is still wrong and should be punished to the full extent of the law.
    Threatening to commit violence against someone for whatever reason is still wrong and should be punished to the full extent of the law.
    You don't have a problem with that,do you?
    Saying we should not distinguish between different circumstances of assault or murder is rather naive, in my opinion. After all, if we should not distinguish different circumstances of murder then there should be no difference between premeditated murder and murder "in the heat of the moment".

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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    Saying we should not distinguish between different circumstances of assault or murder is rather naive, in my opinion. After all, if we should not distinguish different circumstances of murder then there should be no difference between premeditated murder and murder "in the heat of the moment".
    Fully agree,but right now I am not on jury duty.That is the job of the legal system to sort it all out.

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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    [QUOTE=Paschendale;1061887403]So the wine really turns into blood?.../QUOTE]


    Wine is a symbol of Christ's blood in communion. According to the Bible, water was turned into wine.
    Last edited by cabse5; 06-10-13 at 03:28 PM.

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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Gay marriage advocates claim gay marriage should be available to anyone in any state, because a plurality of ideological judges in the originating state decreed marriage a right for all, and preventing gay marriage is discrimination. Any other explanations from gay marriage advocates for gay marriage (which are used quite frequently) is obfuscation. Gay marriage advocates are not fazed with other infactions of the 14th amendment, just the gay marriage infraction of the 14th amendment (or any other amendment).

    Gay marriage is certainly not fairness - one state's supreme court decided marriage should be for everyone in the whole union. It's socialism. It's exactness
    Last edited by cabse5; 06-10-13 at 04:09 PM.

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