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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by cabse5 View Post
    How's the ideological discussion between gay marriage advocates and strict interpretators of the Bible turning out?

    You do realize, depending on your ideology, you're crushing your foe. And facts really don't play a role in the debate.
    If facts don't play a role in the debate, you're doing it wrong.

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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    No DOMA means that the federal government will recognize marriages of same sex couples in those 12 states that have legalized it already and it means that there is another way to contest state laws, under the Full Faith and Credit Clause of the 14th.
    Why are you arguing about states that already have gay marriage? I'm assming the 'Jster' was implying federal gay marriage.

    How is the 14th amendment being broken? It's that word - marriage - again, isn't it.

    Let me bring this analogy out of the mothballs - wait, let me use another analogy - let's demand that everyone, men and women, use the ladies public restroom. The ladies public restroom is (so I've been told) so much cleaner. Men must demand equal protection under the law for clean public restrooms.

    If I've offended anyone with this analogy, I could come up with at least a dozen different short 'parables' to illustrate my point.
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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    If facts don't play a role in the debate, you're doing it wrong.
    I'll clarify my point. Lately, since it's one ideologue shouting at another ideologue, facts aren't successful in proving or disproving a point between the combatants. It's ideology, for crying out loud. Minds have already been made up and won't be unmade.

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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by cabse5 View Post
    I'll clarify my point. Lately, since it's one ideologue shouting at another ideologue, facts aren't successful in proving or disproving a point between the combatants. It's ideology, for crying out loud. Minds have already been made up and won't be unmade.
    Anyone who's been around any debate forum long enough has become fully aware that changing another person's mind is so unlikely as it should not be considered the primary goal. Rather, it should be to test the strength of your arguments.

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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Anyone who's been around any debate forum long enough has become fully aware that changing another person's mind is so unlikely as it should not be considered the primary goal. Rather, it should be to test the strength of your arguments.
    And what, your arguments are that some, IMO, ideological judges decided gays being prevented from using the word marriage in their 'union' was unconstitutional?

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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by cabse5 View Post
    And what, your arguments are that some, IMO, ideological judges decided gays being prevented from using the word marriage in their 'union' was unconstitutional?
    There is so much that's bizarre about the above that it's difficult to know where to start. Such as assuming what my argument is; assuming that the judges are ideological and did not make their decision on the merits of the case; or putting union in air quotes like that.

    I suggest you remove the assumptions from your post and start over.

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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by cabse5 View Post
    Why are you arguing about states that already have gay marriage? I'm assming the 'Jster' was implying federal gay marriage.

    How is the 14th amendment being broken? It's that word - marriage - again, isn't it.

    Let me bring this analogy out of the mothballs - wait, let me use another analogy - let's demand that everyone, men and women, use the ladies public restroom. The ladies public restroom is (so I've been told) so much cleaner. Men must demand equal protection under the law for clean public restrooms.

    If I've offended anyone with this analogy, I could come up with at least a dozen different short 'parables' to illustrate my point.
    First of all, you brought up DOMA, saying something about without it, there would be no "federal right" to same sex marriage. This is wrong. Without DOMA, the federal government would have to recognize all legal marriages from any state, as they currently do, including same sex marriages. But along with this, it would open up the case that the Full Faith and Credit Clause must apply to same sex marriages even in states that do not allow same sex marriage, because marriage is a contract and the states would have to show why there is a legitimate state interest being served in not allowing/recognizing same sex couples in a marriage/their marriage contracts, when they recognize other marriage contracts from out of state.

    Your ladies' restroom comparison is not in any way valid. For one thing, no one is required to designate men and women on restrooms at all, as long as they have locks on the doors of individual restrooms. But beyond this, there is a huge difference between bathrooms that are separated and marriages being restricted on the basis of gender. One can be shown to at least have a small reason that it furthers a state interest, the other cannot be shown to legitimately further any state interest.
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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by cabse5 View Post
    Why are you arguing about states that already have gay marriage? I'm assming the 'Jster' was implying federal gay marriage.

    How is the 14th amendment being broken? It's that word - marriage - again, isn't it.

    Let me bring this analogy out of the mothballs - wait, let me use another analogy - let's demand that everyone, men and women, use the ladies public restroom. The ladies public restroom is (so I've been told) so much cleaner. Men must demand equal protection under the law for clean public restrooms.

    If I've offended anyone with this analogy, I could come up with at least a dozen different short 'parables' to illustrate my point.
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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    all your anologies fail everyone you bring up is a non parallel and gets destroyed.
    IMO, my analogies show similar 'systems of inexactness' like gay marriage - of potential failures to adhere to the 14th amendment. Why is gay marriage special when compared to these other inexact institutions I used in analogies? Why do my analogies fail?

    I could use roguenuke's logic and place a lock on the marriage door and refuse marriage to everyone, civilly. I could point out, as I've done many times on this thread, that gays get all the rights and responsibiltites of marriage with unions.

    That only leaves us with the philosophy of ideological judges who think marriage should be a right for all. Do any of you gay marriage advocates know why the first plurality of judges made that decree and set the precedent?
    Last edited by cabse5; 06-07-13 at 03:26 PM.

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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    First of all, you brought up DOMA, saying something about without it, there would be no "federal right" to same sex marriage. This is wrong. Without DOMA, the federal government would have to recognize all legal marriages from any state, as they currently do, including same sex marriages. But along with this, it would open up the case that the Full Faith and Credit Clause must apply to same sex marriages even in states that do not allow same sex marriage, because marriage is a contract and the states would have to show why there is a legitimate state interest being served in not allowing/recognizing same sex couples in a marriage/their marriage contracts, when they recognize other marriage contracts from out of state...
    As far as DOMA is concerned, the federal gov't recognizes gay marriage in those states that recognize gay marriage and doesn't recognize gay marriage in those states that don't reconize gay marriage. So, you see, the state is the driver for gay marriage rights not the gov't.

    If Alaska gives a stipend to every member of its state from gas profits, why shouldn't every citizen of every state expect a stipend from their respective states? Roguenuke?
    Last edited by cabse5; 06-07-13 at 03:23 PM.

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