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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by cabse5 View Post
    I just did, publically.
    No you did not. You just mumbled something about Vermont after I had proven you wrong about Maryland.

    Now, why do you believe gays should have gay marriage?
    Because I believe in freedom

    What's the constitutionality?
    Equal protection under the law, 14th Amendment

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    It is well-established and crystal clear that the right to marry is a central aspect of the right to liberty, privacy, association, and identity.

    Fourteen times since 1888, the United States Supreme Court has stated that marriage is a fundamental right of all individuals. In these cases, the Court has reaffirmed that “freedom of personal choice in matters of marriage” is “one of the liberties protected by the Due Process Clause,” “essential to the orderly pursuit of happiness by free men,” and “sheltered by the Fourteenth Amendment against the State’s unwarranted usurpation, disregard, or disrespect.”

    Here is a list of the fourteen cases, with links to the opinions and citations to the Court’s discussion of the right to marry.

    Maynard v. Hill, 125 U.S. 190, 205, 211 (1888): Marriage is “the most important relation in life” and “the foundation of the family and society, without which there would be neither civilization nor progress.”
    Meyer v. Nebraska, 262 U.S. 390, 399 (1923): The right “to marry, establish a home and bring up children” is a central part of liberty protected by the Due Process Clause.
    Skinner v. Oklahoma ex rel. Williamson, 316 U.S. 535, 541 (1942): Marriage “one of the basic civil rights of man,” “fundamental to the very existence and survival of the race.”
    Griswold v. Connecticut, 381 U.S. 479, 486 (1965): “We deal with a right of privacy older than the Bill of Rights—older than our political parties, older than our school system. Marriage is a coming together for better or for worse, hopefully enduring, and intimate to the degree of being sacred. It is an association that promotes a way of life, not causes; a harmony in living, not political faiths; a bilateral loyalty, not commercial or social projects. Yet it is an association for as noble a purpose as any involved in our prior decisions.”
    Loving v. Virginia, 388 U.S. 1, 12 (1967): “The freedom to marry has long been recognized as one of the vital personal rights essential to the orderly pursuit of happiness by free men.”
    Boddie v. Connecticut, 401 U.S. 371, 376, 383 (1971): “[M]arriage involves interests of basic importance to our society” and is “a fundamental human relationship.”
    Cleveland Board of Education v. LaFleur, 414 U.S. 632, 639-40 (1974): “This Court has long recognized that freedom of personal choice in matters of marriage and family life is one of the liberties protected by the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment.”
    Moore v. City of East Cleveland, 431 U.S. 494, 499 (1977) (plurality): “[W]hen the government intrudes on choices concerning family living arrangements, this Court must examine carefully the importance of the governmental interests advanced and the extent to which they are served by the challenged regulation.”
    Carey v. Population Services International, 431 U.S. 678, 684-85 (1977): “[I]t is clear that among the decisions that an individual may make without unjustified government interference are personal decisions relating to marriage, procreation, contraception, family relationships, and child rearing and education.”
    Zablocki v. Redhail, 434 U.S. 374, 384 (1978): “[T]he right to marry is of fundamental importance for all individuals.”
    Turner v. Safley, 482 U.S. 78, 95 (1987): “[T]he decision to marry is a fundamental right” and an “expression[ ] of emotional support and public commitment.”
    Planned Parenthood of Southeastern Pennsylvania v. Casey, 505 U.S. 833, 851 (1992): “These matters, involving the most intimate and personal choices a person may make in a lifetime, choices central to personal dignity and autonomy, are central to the liberty protected by the Fourteenth Amendment. At the heart of liberty is the right to define one’s own concept of existence, of meaning, of the universe, and of the mystery of human life.”
    M.L.B. v. S.L.J., 519 U.S. 102, 116 (1996): “Choices about marriage, family life, and the upbringing of children are among associational rights this Court has ranked as ‘of basic importance in our society,’ rights sheltered by the Fourteenth Amendment against the State’s unwarranted usurpation, disregard, or disrespect.”
    Lawrence v. Texas, 539 U.S. 558, 574 (2003): “[O]ur laws and tradition afford constitutional protection to personal decisions relating to marriage, procreation, contraception, family relationships, and education. … Persons in a homosexual relationship may seek autonomy for these purposes, just as heterosexual persons do.”

    14 Supreme Court Cases: Marriage is a Fundamental Right | American Foundation for Equal Rights

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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by cabse5 View Post
    As in other opinions of life like home ownership and fiscal responsibility, as they age and have families, the 'younger set' will become more conservative. Not so sure you 'hope' will be true.
    Although there is no data to support it yet, I seriously doubt this is an issue that changes as you grow older. People of all ages are growing more acceptant of it, especially in states where it is already legal, as they see the lack of effect on their lives.

    Also, anecdotally most of my friends in the age group are conservative, yet almost universally support gay marriage. I've also never heard of a single person who changed their mind from accepting it to not.
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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by cabse5 View Post
    Look the word fact or logic up. Then look up ideology. There ya' go.
    As far as the bold is concerned: nope, you don't care what or why some Maryland judges decreed gay marriage. You're a gay marriage ideologue. Look that word up. How can you argue the meaning of words when you don't even know what the words mean? Duh?
    translation:you lied and cant prove your lie. LMAO

    Let me know when you can.
    if you disagree that you lied simply prove that you didnt and quote me saying what you lied and claimed i did, until then your argument is a complete failure just like it started out has. lol
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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by Anagram View Post
    I've also never heard of a single person who changed their mind from accepting it to not.
    Yeah and the fact that they never go from supporting it to not says an awful lot about which side is in the right.

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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    That's not going to jail for "being" anything. That's going to jail for assault.
    No..it will be called homophobia in court!

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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by cabse5 View Post
    So says another gay marriage ideologue.
    So says a person who sees the writing on the wall, no matter my position. It is obvious that the younger generations support same sex marriage being legal, even in southern states. And eventually, either the SCOTUS will strike down the laws as they did interracial marriage bans and other laws that stopped people from getting married based on arbitrary reasons or there will be enough support either federally or in each state to simply make it legal everywhere.
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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by wolfie View Post
    No..it will be called homophobia in court!
    Actually it would be whatever the charge was when he was arrested. Somehow I just can't picture this scene happening: "Sir, you are under arrest for homophobia."

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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Blue states will adopt SSM, Red States won"t
    That becomes mostly irrelevant if the Supreme Court rules against DOMA, which is likely. Face it, gays are going to be married all around you, and you can't stop it.
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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Eventually it will be legal throughout the US. It will take longer (or one sweeping SCOTUS ruling) to make it happen in the red states, but it will happen. You can't stop progress by simply wishing it.
    NP and the anti-SSM crowd are desperately grasping for the last straws they have. The were militantly anti-domestic partnerships until marriage became a reality....they were big on citing "public opinion"....until public opinion has shifted dramatically over the last 5 years. Now they are clinging to a handful of red states and hoping that the Supreme Court doesn't put the final nail in their coffin.
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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    In 1973, the Maryland Supreme Court first defined marriage as being between a man and woman. In 1993, the Hawaii Supreme Court first declared that same-sex unions deserved to have the same rights and responsibilities as marriages.
    How many times did I post that Maryland was the first SSC to declare in 1999 what Hawaii's SSC actually declared in 1993?

    Some gay marriage ideologue finally took my hint and Googled some gay marriage facts; thought I was misinformed when I was actually just testing your knowledge (or lack thereof).

    So, which state supreme court first declared marriage was a 'right for all' (a transformation of Hawaii's decision)? What was that court's motivation for the ruling?

    Do any of these facts matter to you?
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