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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Perhaps if you had any knowledge of tax shelters, you wouldn't be making asinine statements like that? You argue from positions of ignorance all the time. This is one of them.
    Perhaps it's just your phrasing. A more appropriate response would have been "if consenting adults understand the legal implications and don't break our laws.." rather than "if consenting adults understand the situation and we rewrite the tax law to prevent hiding taxes.." it would sound more responsible and shows that you care about your country. But you didn't say that. Your response simply flaunts your liberalism. In essence, you're saying "Will enough taxes be taken from this household? Does the IRS have all the information it needs on this household? Is there anything I can do to ensure that these people are paying their fair share? Will the doctrines of Socialism have a secure enough foothold on this place?".

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    11-12 year olds are not mature enough for sex. But that doesn't mean they don't do it. That alone is not proof of maturity for consent.
    Government subsidized condoms is proof.

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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    Rather, keep marriage as it is and give civil unions to the unbelievers: same rights, same privileges, and zero offense to the sanctity of marriage.
    I'm glad beliefs like this are waning.

    In all my years in the culinary business,I've discovered that there are plenty of people out there willing to shell out thousands of dollars catering a wedding.
    Nobody is willing to spend that amount to cater a "civil union ceremony".

    If you don't like gays getting married,that's fine by me.
    But I don't see any problem with making an honest dollar off gays getting married by catering their wedding and getting them to use my banquet halls to do so..
    If you don't make money off gay weddings,that's not my problem.

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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by Verthaine View Post
    I'm glad beliefs like this are waning.

    In all my years in the culinary business,I've discovered that there are plenty of people out there willing to shell out thousands of dollars catering a wedding.
    Nobody is willing to spend that amount to cater a "civil union ceremony".

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    I have a gay friend (shocking huh? ) and he so happens to be a minister at one of the biggest gay churches in the country, they do gay weddings. So the others poster comment about "unbelievers" is nothing more than hogwash.

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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by Verthaine View Post
    I'm glad beliefs like this are waning.

    In all my years in the culinary business,I've discovered that there are plenty of people out there willing to shell out thousands of dollars catering a wedding.
    Nobody is willing to spend that amount to cater a "civil union ceremony".

    If you don't like gays getting married,that's fine by me.
    But I don't see any problem with making an honest dollar off gays getting married by catering their wedding and getting them to use my banquet halls to do so..
    If you don't make money off gay weddings,that's not my problem.
    Why not advertise your catering business to the civilly united, too? heck, Verthaine, you may have an untapped source for your business!

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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    I have a gay friend (shocking huh? ) and he so happens to be a minister at one of the biggest gay churches in the country, they do gay weddings. So the others poster comment about "unbelievers" is nothing more than hogwash.
    No self respecting hog would want to be washed with the toxins he's spraying.

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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    Why not advertise your catering business to the civilly united, too? heck, Verthaine, you may have an untapped source for your business!
    Because SSM nationwide is inevitable.
    Because weddings make more money than "civil unions".
    Especially in states that allow for them like my neighboring states of New Jersey and Connecticut which I also do business in.

    Why chase after pennies when I can make dollars.
    Doesn't make good business sense.

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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Probably ten to fifteen years, the population needs to age some as there is still a huge old people voting block hanging on to outdated ideas

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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    So no real argument? Got it.

    I will ask you again though, since it is based off of what you wrote. What legal union in the US gives every single right, benefit, and responsibility of marriage? You said



    If you think this is true, then prove it.
    There are 5 states with union legislation that have all the rights and responsibilities of marriage.
    California, Nevada, Washington, Oregon, and just recently, Colorado. I invite you to look this data up.
    Probably why California hasn't voted for gay marriage.

    What are those rights and responsibilities equal to marriage?
    (1) the ability of unions to adopt
    (2) union partners sharing each other's assets (not sure this is a good thing, epcecially if there are debts).


    IMO, the one right/responsibility not equal to marriage for unions are federal and state tax advantages.
    A federal/state legislator can include unions in the tax advantages, make it just unions since marriages are a subset of unions, or just eliminate the union/marriage deduction altogether.

    All these rights can be bestowed upon unions without the decree of gay marriage from state supreme courts.
    All these rights can be bestowed upon unions without state legislators voting for gay marriage.
    All these rights can be bestowed upon unions without destroying the meaning of marriage.

    If there are other rights/responsibilties not listed here for unions, make legislation for unions that include those rights.

    Unions already have these rights in these 5 states. This is the Occam's Razor kinda answer to this quandary. Can you figure it out?
    Last edited by cabse5; 05-24-13 at 02:20 PM.

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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dooble View Post
    Rather, keep marriage as it is and give civil unions to the unbelievers: same rights, same privileges, and zero offense to the sanctity of marriage.
    "Give civil unions to the unbelievers"? Odd. Thomas Jefferson was married in a Church dedicated to the weakling Christ. Under your rubric, would he, too, have been limited to a civil union?
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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by Strucker View Post
    The slippery slope fears can perhaps best be navigated by looking at the countries that have had same sex marriage for ten years or more.

    In Canada, it's no longer an issue...although the debates beforehand were quite similar to these ones. Everything's fine. Life goes on. Pedophilia remains illegal. Dogs and cats are in most cases safe from sexual interference. And the Conservative Party (the lone opposition at the time) is still doing quite well.

    In other words, it's the status quo...with one obvious improvement.

    So what's the problem?
    Ah, the problem is: the definition of marriage will be forever changed because of politics

    It's politics because gays (and judges) want to bestow the rights and responsibilties of marriage to everyone, (that's socialism, by the way) but not marriage.. How do I know gays want the rights of, but not marriage? All the badmouthing you guys give marriage. How so many end up in divorce, how many kids are affected by bad marriages, etc.

    Finally, since when has anything Canada done ever been a shining example to the rest of the world?
    Last edited by cabse5; 05-24-13 at 02:34 PM.

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