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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by bbman View Post
    I'm split on this one, one part of me says it'll happen when Obama is in office and only if he's in office but the other is saying it may never get legalized nationally in the US because i have a gut feeling that in 2016 RP's might get in and will do everything to make sure they get in.
    The only thing that could prevent it is a Constitutional Amendment, and there is absolutely not the support for this now. Even in 2006, when Bush tried, twice, there wasn't enough support for it. It actually got voted on (in the Senate I believe) and they didn't get the required supermajority to send it further. The support for same sex marriage is much higher now, and isn't likely to drop just because a Republican ends up in office.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    It's already a secular contract as is. There is nothing religious about the civil marriage contract.
    Try telling that to the anti-gay marriage crowd.

    I totally agree that marriage is a 3 way contract that involves no religion whatsoever. Granted, there are exceptions to this for Rabbinical Court, but their finds cannot contradict existing US law. For the sake of the argument, I'm going to pretend Rabbinical Court does not exist.

    Even those clergy that perform the wedding must sign the marriage license, the contract. And they have to be registered with the state to show they actually can sign the contract legally.
    When you can get your dirty drunk Uncle Sal to marry you, religion really has nothing to do with this.

    Religion does not own the word marriage.
    Perhaps, but marriage has always been a religious term. Now, how different religions treat marriage greatly differs, but it's still a religious term.

    IMO, the best solution is Federal and State civil unions with people defining marriage however they want. Want to get "married" on the beach to your same sex partner? Sure! Want an uber-religious marriage ceremony in a huge church? Sure! People should be free to have whatever ceremony they want.
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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Perhaps, but marriage has always been a religious term. Now, how different religions treat marriage greatly differs, but it's still a religious term.

    IMO, the best solution is Federal and State civil unions with people defining marriage however they want. Want to get "married" on the beach to your same sex partner? Sure! Want an uber-religious marriage ceremony in a huge church? Sure! People should be free to have whatever ceremony they want.
    Marriage hasn't always been a "religious" term. Several religions stay out of marriage completely. And there have been many people who married without any religion. Pretty sure we have had secular people available to marry people since the beginning of this country. The word "marriage" comes from a french word meaning simply "to take a husband or wife". It happened to evolve during a time when the government of most English speaking areas were controlled by religions, but that doesn't mean that religions own the word marriage. It would have come about without religions being in charge, because the concept of marriage existed for a long time without religion.

    I consider it a huge waste of money to change the name of the civil contract just because religion wrongly believes they own a term/word, because they don't own it.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Marriage hasn't always been a "religious" term. Several religions stay out of marriage completely.
    While some religions do stay out, marriage has historically been a religious term. The pagan hand "marriages" (which FYI were open to same sex too!) were in the context of their religious beliefs. Marriage today is a secular contract, but the term itself has been religious.

    And there have been many people who married without any religion. Pretty sure we have had secular people available to marry people since the beginning of this country. The word "marriage" comes from a french word meaning simply "to take a husband or wife". It happened to evolve during a time when the government of most English speaking areas were controlled by religions, but that doesn't mean that religions own the word marriage. It would have come about without religions being in charge, because the concept of marriage existed for a long time without religion.
    I actually was going back well before established governments.

    I consider it a huge waste of money to change the name of the civil contract just because religion wrongly believes they own a term/word, because they don't own it.
    Do you consider it a waste of money to get a compromise that reduces the level of government in our lives and gets people equal rights?
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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    While some religions do stay out, marriage has historically been a religious term. The pagan hand "marriages" (which FYI were open to same sex too!) were in the context of their religious beliefs. Marriage today is a secular contract, but the term itself has been religious.
    This simply isn't true. Even the Christian religion didn't care that much for who got married nor were they really involved up until around the 10th Century. Clergy may have blessed weddings or marriages of people, but they really weren't religious in nature. The community simply held a celebration or even just recognized the couple as "married". In many places in the past, marriage only required a couple to live as and/or state they were married. It didn't require a ceremony or religious approval (although family approval was usually required).


    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    I actually was going back well before established governments.
    And it didn't involve religion in many places in the past. Most civilizations just required the family to approve and the couple to live as a married couple.

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Do you consider it a waste of money to get a compromise that reduces the level of government in our lives and gets people equal rights?
    Yes, because we will allow same sex couples to marry long before we change the word marriage to something else. And it is not worth the money because it opens up for any group (particularly religious groups) to claim they own some word or term or phrase because it was used by religions or controlled by religions in the past and they don't want the meaning to change. It is stupid. We can all share the term. It really isn't that big of a deal.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    This simply isn't true. Even the Christian religion didn't care that much for who got married nor were they really involved up until around the 10th Century. Clergy may have blessed weddings or marriages of people, but they really weren't religious in nature. The community simply held a celebration or even just recognized the couple as "married". In many places in the past, marriage only required a couple to live as and/or state they were married. It didn't require a ceremony or religious approval (although family approval was usually required).
    Why you mixing up relatively recent common law marriages with ancient practices?

    I'm not arguing that marriage today is NOT a secular contract. It is. I'm just saying that marriage has been a religious concept for a long time. Sure there are plenty of instances where it may have not always been, but for the last 1,000 years, marriage has been a religious term.

    And it didn't involve religion in many places in the past. Most civilizations just required the family to approve and the couple to live as a married couple.
    But the rituals practiced were often religious in context. The first well documented "marriages" of pagan handfasting were in the context of their spiritual beliefs.

    Yes, because we will allow same sex couples to marry long before we change the word marriage to something else. And it is not worth the money because it opens up for any group (particularly religious groups) to claim they own some word or term or phrase because it was used by religions or controlled by religions in the past and they don't want the meaning to change. It is stupid. We can all share the term. It really isn't that big of a deal.
    Alright, between an ugly culture war and my way, which would you rather have?
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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Why you mixing up relatively recent common law marriages with ancient practices?

    I'm not arguing that marriage today is NOT a secular contract. It is. I'm just saying that marriage has been a religious concept for a long time. Sure there are plenty of instances where it may have not always been, but for the last 1,000 years, marriage has been a religious term.
    I'm not mixing up anything. Marriage in the past was secular in many places. So what if for 1000 years, in Europe, Christianity had basically control over the government and much of what the people did so they had control over marriage as well? They didn't invent the concept itself, which was secular for much of the time before they gained that power. It was not a religious term. Holy matrimony can be said to be a religious term, but not marriage.

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    But the rituals practiced were often religious in context. The first well documented "marriages" of pagan handfasting were in the context of their spiritual beliefs.
    There were many places where there were no marriage rituals at all. The couple simply told the community they wanted to be married. The community would have a celebration of this and/or they would get a blessing for their union. They could still be considered "married" without any ceremony, as long as they lived together as a married couple and in certain places had the blessing of the families.

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Alright, between an ugly culture war and my way, which would you rather have?
    The ugly culture war that really won't be that ugly at all in all reality. Big deal if some are upset by the change. They will get over it quickly and soon realize that it really wasn't a big deal.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    The ugly culture war that really won't be that ugly at all in all reality. Big deal if some are upset by the change. They will get over it quickly and soon realize that it really wasn't a big deal.
    Something tells me that won't be the case. At least in parts of this country. There are still places in America that give people huge amounts of crap for interracial dating. Liberty Universe banned it for a while.

    I think this is going to be way more dicey then you think.
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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Something tells me that won't be the case. At least in parts of this country. There are still places in America that give people huge amounts of crap for interracial dating. Liberty Universe banned it for a while.

    I think this is going to be way more dicey then you think.
    And what happened despite all the protests and debating on interracial marriage after the Loving decision in 1967? We didn't see a large breakdown of society. Those who didn't like the decision grumbled and went back to teaching their children about how wrong it was but they couldn't do anything about it. They continued their lives.

    Public places can't ban any type of relationships that are legal. Private schools can and will ban any relationships they don't like. Changing the name of marriage to something else won't prevent any private school from banning same sex relationships. Nor will it prevent those places that don't approve of same sex relationships in large numbers from giving same sex couples huge amounts of crap.
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    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    And what happened despite all the protests and debating on interracial marriage after the Loving decision in 1967? We didn't see a large breakdown of society. Those who didn't like the decision grumbled and went back to teaching their children about how wrong it was but they couldn't do anything about it. They continued their lives.

    Public places can't ban any type of relationships that are legal. Private schools can and will ban any relationships they don't like. Changing the name of marriage to something else won't prevent any private school from banning same sex relationships. Nor will it prevent those places that don't approve of same sex relationships in large numbers from giving same sex couples huge amounts of crap.

    I have to agree who cares about a "culture war" **** em'
    its about equal rights and if they dont like it tough.

    there are people that still arent happy with minorities being equal, woman being equal, interracial marriage etc etc. We didnt give in to bigoted and/or selfish hypocritical crybabies then so why do it now.

    If people cant be civil and give way to equal rights they are in the wrong country.

    We didnt decided to call minorities something different or interracial marriage something different or even better yet the millions of marriages that involve ZERO religion something different so why on earth would we do it now, that would be a slap in the face to equal rights.

    Whats funny is all the crying for the millions of nonreligious marriages? how come the loud cries are only against them "faggots and dykes"? its BS and honest people dont buy it.
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