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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    No, marriage does not necessarily have anything to do with the state, so the right to marriage has nothing to do with the governments involvement either, but simply the right to marry who you desire. Considering the right to contract that already exists it would follow that there is a right to a marriage contract. I'm very interested to see just how the courts get around this.
    Being forced to play along with the charade that this isn't so that anti-gay-marriage people can plausibly deny the legitimacy of marriages they don't agree with is giving me a headache.

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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) i understand if COULD be that simply but i wouldnt want it that simple, things must be verified.
    That's why you always have a neutral party in a contract.
    2.) civil court? no thanks i dont want something so large and important simply decided by judge judy lol
    not to mention how can civil court rule on federal rights and benefits? they are great if my plumber violates his contract but not so much other wise
    It would be a civil trial regardless. There is no criminal activity.

    3.) well see thats where we differ i have no problem with government protecting the 1200 or so rights as long as its equal.
    The problem is when you let government in, the rights suffer. No thanks I'd rather just have them out of it.

    4.)so my wife is in the hospital they wont let me see her you want me to go to civil court or fight for my civil rights in court?
    There are two ways you can address it, civil suit or calling an officer if you have a charge you can file. The civil suit will have a better chance of success.

    SOrry LMR, id rather just have civil rights fought for and won in court then make the government recognize both marriages that way.
    Just seems to flimsy and random the other way.
    You are more than entitled to that opinion, I just don't think more government is a solution to present government interference.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Hopefully in the next month or so!!
    You'll have epidemic divorce rates, like everyone else. You'll learn to hate each other, and try to steal each other's money during the divorce.
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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    You'll have epidemic divorce rates, like everyone else. You'll learn to hate each other, and try to steal each other's money during the divorce.
    Lesbians out of any group have the highest commitment rate.

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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    1.)That's why you always have a neutral party in a contract.
    2.) It would be a civil trial regardless. There is no criminal activity.
    3.) The problem is when you let government in, the rights suffer. No thanks I'd rather just have them out of it.
    4.) There are two ways you can address it, civil suit or calling an officer if you have a charge you can file. The civil suit will have a better chance of success.
    5.) You are more than entitled to that opinion, I just don't think more government is a solution to present government interference.
    1.) just have serious concerns about many marriages being false, not of age, not a citizen, already married, improper identification etc etc
    2.) yes i understand that but not low level, thats what i was getting at and i thought you ment, like i wouldn't want a magistrate doing it lol
    3.) in this case i dont think they would, i think thered be more change to suffer the other way
    4.) so what if my wife days while im waiting for my court date? nah
    5.) well in this case it wouldnt be more it would be the same amount of government but now eqaul treatment of heteros, bis and homosexuals
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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) just have serious concerns about many marriages being false, not of age, not a citizen, already married, improper identification etc etc
    That's where good faith comes into play. Any bad faith actions, including legal violations and misrepresentation make the contract null and void through the oldest of existing law.
    2.) yes i understand that but not low level, thats what i was getting at and i thought you ment, like i wouldn't want a magistrate doing it lol
    Gotcha. Nope, has to be a true tort, in legitimate civil court without exception. This is not a small claims situation and not to be taken lightly.
    3.) in this case i dont think they would, i think thered be more change to suffer the other way
    I don't know of a single situation that isn't completely ****ed by adding politicians.
    4.) so what if my wife days while im waiting for my court date? nah
    Then you have even more damages to sue for, emotional distress being a huge one, and if you remind them of that they won't fight you for long.
    5.) well in this case it wouldnt be more it would be the same amount of government but now eqaul treatment of heteros, bis and homosexuals
    The thing I'm trying to convey though is they are the root of the problem, it's already laws written by them that have created the situation, much of it is because marriage law is overly complicated. Simplify it and hold the government to a uniform standard and it's done.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Being forced to play along with the charade that this isn't so that anti-gay-marriage people can plausibly deny the legitimacy of marriages they don't agree with is giving me a headache.
    Please stop saying I'm anti-gay marriage. My argument would not lead to the denial of gay marriage, but the acceptance of all types of marriages by showing once and for all a right to a marriage contract exists and all private contracts must be respected in every state. This is very easy to do and takes almost no effort on my part as both of the parts I need to make my case are already in place.

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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    1.)That's where good faith comes into play. Any bad faith actions, including legal violations and misrepresentation make the contract null and void through the oldest of existing law.
    2.)Gotcha. Nope, has to be a true tort, in legitimate civil court without exception. This is not a small claims situation and not to be taken lightly.
    3.) I don't know of a single situation that isn't completely ****ed by adding politicians.
    4.)Then you have even more damages to sue for, emotional distress being a huge one, and if you remind them of that they won't fight you for long.
    5.) The thing I'm trying to convey though is they are the root of the problem, it's already laws written by them that have created the situation, much of it is because marriage law is overly complicated. Simplify it and hold the government to a uniform standard and it's done.

    1.) dont like to many holes
    2.) ok good
    3.) well IMO this one is fine besides its not equal yet
    4.) rather just be able to see her because no money will fix that if i lose her
    5.) i agree but IMO its close to being fixed and i want more than just the government held accountable
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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) dont like to many holes
    That's the beauty of simple laws, the fix is easier to get to. I'll give you the old machine analogy, the more moving parts you have the more likely it is to break. Same with law, if we have to keep going back and changing language, we'll never get it right. However if we are protected by simple contract law, it's easy to fix.

    3.) well IMO this one is fine besides its not equal yet
    I don't trust D.C. to make it equal if they do intervene, that's the problem. If we just said marriage is to be recognized except when a law is broken(child marriage, bestiality,etc) then it's done and there are no loopholes.

    4.) rather just be able to see her because no money will fix that if i lose her
    Unfortunately, you could still have problems with a jackass in that position. A person who wants to cause harm can find a way to do so, I don't have a legal fix to that, and I don't think there is one unfortunately.

    5.) i agree but IMO its close to being fixed and i want more than just the government held accountable
    From what I have seen, it's not close to being fixed, we may be close to different laws but I haven't heard anything workable.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    1.)That's the beauty of simple laws, the fix is easier to get to. I'll give you the old machine analogy, the more moving parts you have the more likely it is to break. Same with law, if we have to keep going back and changing language, we'll never get it right. However if we are protected by simple contract law, it's easy to fix.

    2.)I don't trust D.C. to make it equal if they do intervene, that's the problem. If we just said marriage is to be recognized except when a law is broken(child marriage, bestiality,etc) then it's done and there are no loopholes.

    3.) Unfortunately, you could still have problems with a jackass in that position. A person who wants to cause harm can find a way to do so, I don't have a legal fix to that, and I don't think there is one unfortunately.

    From what I have seen, it's not close to being fixed, we may be close to different laws but I haven't heard anything workable.
    1.) in principle i agree but the only words we are changing is man and woman so im good with it.
    also in general im willing to allow it to be a tougher road to change if the law/contract is more binding/sound. Im a fan of quick justice when its possible.
    2.) well im not sure i do either but its going to be equal or not change.
    3.) i agree but justice and tools are much easier and faster
    4.) when i said close i mean the fact that 11 states soon 12 allow it and if scotus votes on it the change is easy. its a simply verbiage change of the partners/parties involved.

    thats all that needs done, pleasing the extremists and nut jobs isnt
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