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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Demonstrably unworkable. Until you can explain why removing the government from marriage is good for me, this is going nowhere. This is why your proposal has no traction -- no one can answer that question.
    It works for everyone because they can't define the terms. If government has authority to say that two adults cannot get married because of x reason then they own the law on it. Once you remove the ability to define who qualifies it's an equal rights debate, meaning all adults have the legal right to have their marriage recognized by law. Now, because of freedom of religion a church gets to decide which marriages they will perform, because the government does not have a religious component they must follow civil rights law. It benefits you by benefitting all.
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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    1.)Basically, the person officiating the wedding signs the marriage certificate, then it's recognized. I see that as the simplest way to go about it.

    2.) I think we have a misunderstanding here. I don't want to rid the marriage contract system, just get government out of the regulation of it. Basically stripping all levels of government from having the right to not legally recognize a marriage but rather compelling them to do so, IOW the woman would keep her house because the government MUST recognize the marriage as legitimate, so she would have the first legal claim on the estate.
    3.) IMO my way is the shortest, one simple sentence compels the government to legally recognize marriages, unless it's a child marriage or something else we all could agree is not acceptable, and by all I mean normative behavior; this would exclude pedophiles, bestiality, etc.

    4.) That's the beauty of it, government is out except for benefits, they have no choice.

    5.)I'll simplify it, all marriages must be recognized equally. Same sex and heterosexual marriages either enjoy the same benefits or benefits are struck, and I would love to see the government try to strike benefits for that many couples, there would be an electoral beating like we've never seen in our lifetimes.

    Well, contracts are an individual right barring laws that restrict certain terms so it stands to reason that we strike the government terms and go back to pure marriage contract between consenting individuals.
    1.) well unless getting the certificate is some kind of process there would have to be more to it dont you think? I mean as large of a scope as marriage is there has to at least be id, age citizenship vitrifaction etc.
    2.) based on what? wouldnt there have to be a regulations or rules defining how marriage works legally?
    i just dont understand how you grant all the legal benefits and rights almost 1200 alone on a federal level without the government involved.

    and yes i did misunderstand you because i thought you wanted something new or just many other contracts trying to take the place of marriage. But again how does it work without the government.
    3.) it seems like you are saying that government will be involved in every way except regulating who can get married (barring beastyality, intimate objects and minors etc)
    so I guess my question is, once gay marriage is legal everywhere why wont that accomplish the same thing.
    4.) how are they out of it and granting all the rights at the same time secondly what keeps you in check and makes sure your honor my marriage. something like visitation rights at a hospital.

    5.) again isnt this just gonna happen soon?

    guess ill just ask this

    what is your way going to accomplish that grant gays equal rights wont besides getting rid of the licenses that are needed in some areas
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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    I would say less than 25 years. It's possible that a supreme court decision will make it nationally legal, but I doubt it. I think it will eventually happen though as the older generations that are most against it die off.
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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    It works for everyone because they can't define the terms. If government has authority to say that two adults cannot get married because of x reason then they own the law on it. Once you remove the ability to define who qualifies it's an equal rights debate, meaning all adults have the legal right to have their marriage recognized by law. Now, because of freedom of religion a church gets to decide which marriages they will perform, because the government does not have a religious component they must follow civil rights law. It benefits you by benefitting all.
    *Sigh.* The above is not going to disguise the fact that states are right now discriminating against people, which is why the issue is at the USSC right now. Your vague assertions of freedom as well as your lack of tangible benefits are doing nothing to support your position.

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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    *Sigh.* The above is not going to disguise the fact that states are right now discriminating against people, which is why the issue is at the USSC right now. Your vague assertions of freedom as well as your lack of tangible benefits are doing nothing to support your position.
    One can presume based upon your statement that you do not wish states to do so; if so that is an opinion, and it is one I share.

    One can presume that you think the state governments do not have the authority to do so. Whether or not this presumption is the case, such a sentiment would be false. They do.

    If you live in that state, work to make it otherwise. If you do not, it isn't really your concern anymore than it is your concern what laws or policies pass in France or Russia.

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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    One can presume based upon your statement that you do not wish states to do so; if so that is an opinion, and it is one I share.

    One can presume that you think the state governments do not have the authority to do so. That is false. They do.

    If you live in that state, work to make it otherwise. If you do not, it isn't really your concern anymore than it is your concern what laws or policies pass in France or Russia.
    Or I can do nothing, let the Federal government ban discriminatory practices in all fifty states, and watch an episode of Family Guy afterwards.

    Sure, I admit it sounds a little lazy, but as paths of least resistance go you really can't beat that.

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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Or I can do nothing, let the Federal government ban discriminatory practices in all fifty states, and watch an episode of Family Guy afterwards.

    Sure, I admit it sounds a little lazy, but as paths of least resistance go you really can't beat that.
    The federal government has no authority to dictate anything regarding marriage. If it did what you suggest above, and you did or said nothing in opposition, you would be demonstrating that you have contempt for the rule of law.

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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    The federal government has no authority to dictate anything regarding marriage. If it did what you suggest above, and you did or said nothing in opposition, you would be demonstrating that you have contempt for the rule of law.
    Not at all. If the rule of law protects civil liberties from the arbitrary and petty motivations of others to restrict those liberties, then I'm all for it.

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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Not at all. If the rule of law protects civil liberties from the arbitrary and petty motivations of others to restrict those liberties...
    It does in some cases. It doesn't in others. Where it doesn't, you can't just pretend it does and call it a day.

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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    It does in some cases. It doesn't in others. Where it doesn't, you can't just pretend it does and call it a day.
    It sounds like you're carrying on a conversation from another thread. I'm entirely consistent on this matter.

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