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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Yeah I know, but the Libertarian approach to no Federal "marriage" is IMO, the best choice. The sooner everyone accepts that marriage is a secular contract, the better.
    It's already a secular contract as is. There is nothing religious about the civil marriage contract. Even those clergy that perform the wedding must sign the marriage license, the contract. And they have to be registered with the state to show they actually can sign the contract legally.

    Religion does not own the word marriage.
    "A woman is like a teabag, you never know how strong she is until she gets in hot water." - Eleanor Roosevelt

    Keep your religion out of other people's marriages.

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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Pretty simple really. We have the right to contract in the U.S. which is why you may do anything from joining the military to getting married to buying your own insurance. Contracts only require court interference when they are bad faith, it's not IMO super complicated.
    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Since marriage has been ruled a right of the people by the courts it would be within reason then that if the state denied to respect the contract due to the arrangement, being in this case an arrangement between two individuals of the same sex or gender, that the courts would in turn rule in the couples favor. Of course that is not tested, but I can't see how they can rule it's a right and then deny to respect the private contract of gay individuals. I'm completely certain the states would try to deny it, but I see no reason they would not lose. In short, the state would have to enforce the contract as marriage is a right.
    Neither of you have thought this through. You want individual state rights, but then when one state refuses to recognize the contract of another another, you expect the state courts to overrule their own state's decisions? This is very, very poorly thought out.

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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Neither of you have thought this through. You want individual state rights, but then when one state refuses to recognize the contract of another another, you expect the state courts to overrule their own state's decisions? This is very, very poorly thought out.
    Not at all, according to contract law states must honor legal contracts which is what marriage is. The current problem is that same sex marriages are not legally recognized as legitimate contracts so it's as simple as taking that authority away from the government and compelling it to recognize the contract. This is a contract rights discussion and not a state's rights issue, contract rights trump state's rights absent laws prohibiting contract items. State's cannot interfere with a contract between individuals in the interstate commerce sense which is one of the few powers the federal can enforce legitimately.
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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    If you have any desire whatsoever for me to share your enthusiasm for government removing itself from marriage, you need to answer two questions, two questions I have never been given straight answers to.

    1)What is in it for you?
    2)What is in it for me?

    I would appreciate it if we didn't pretend that this has nothing to do with gay marriage, since gay marriage is literally the ONLY topic in which government being removed from marriage is ever brought up.
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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Not at all, according to contract law states must honor legal contracts which is what marriage is. The current problem is that same sex marriages are not legally recognized as legitimate contracts so it's as simple as taking that authority away from the government and compelling it to recognize the contract. This is a contract rights discussion and not a state's rights issue, contract rights trump state's rights absent laws prohibiting contract items. State's cannot interfere with a contract between individuals in the interstate commerce sense which is one of the few powers the federal can enforce legitimately.
    You're essentially asking that states operate according to a good faith measure, believing that one state won't just decide to up and negate the contract of another state (remember..."state rights"?). This is fantastically implausible. As Roguenuke already pointed out states are already refusing to recognize the marriage licenses from other states, so we already have present, demonstrable evidence that your theory doesn't work. Fortunately, we have a system to deal with this problem: the one we already have (with legalized gay marriage of course).

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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    You're essentially asking that states operate according to a good faith measure, believing that one state won't just decide to up and negate the contract of another state (remember..."state rights"?). This is fantastically implausible. Fortunately, we have a system to deal with this potential problem: the one we already have (with legalized gay marriage of course).
    Contracts must be honored unless they are bad faith, this is why you can keep insurance that you bought in one state should you have to move to another. I get what you're saying about lack of reciprocity, but don't see how a court can uphold dishonoring a legal contract unless there is a government component like not recognizing it's legitimacy. Basically I'm saying that's why the government needs to have that authority stripped and compulsory honoring of legal contracts.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Contracts must be honored unless they are bad faith, this is why you can keep insurance that you bought in one state should you have to move to another. I get what you're saying about lack of reciprocity, but don't see how a court can uphold dishonoring a legal contract unless there is a government component like not recognizing it's legitimacy. Basically I'm saying that's why the government needs to have that authority stripped and compulsory honoring of legal contracts.
    Demonstrably unworkable. Until you can explain why removing the government from marriage is good for me, this is going nowhere. This is why your proposal has no traction -- no one can answer that question.

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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    On a federal level? Hopefully never.
    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Disgusting.
    No, speaking as someone who doesn't think the government should be controlling or restricting marriage at all (as marriage is really just a contract, and should require no license nor consent from any state agency, administrator, or bureaucrat, but should simply be honored and enforced as a voluntary contract), what's disgusting is wanting the Supreme Court to pretend that this is a federal matter under the U.S. Constitution as written.

    As it always is whenever someone wants the body charged with upholding the rule of law to piss on the rule of law and do whatever they want... disgusting.

    Judicial activism... and its advocacy... are completely disgusting.

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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Demonstrably unworkable. Until you can explain why removing the government from marriage is good for me, this is going nowhere. This is why your proposal has no traction -- no one can answer that question.
    It is good for you to be free to enter into voluntary contracts with whom you wish. It is bad for you to have your freedom restricted appropriate of nothing.

    There is no reason why you should require a license to enter voluntarily into a contract with another person, and it shouldn't matter whether or not that person has any interest in occasionally boinking you or not.
    Last edited by JayDubya; 05-10-13 at 07:39 PM.

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    Re: How long till Same Sex Marriage is nationally legal in the US?

    Quote Originally Posted by JayDubya View Post
    It is good for you to be free to enter into voluntary contracts with whom you wish. It is bad for you to have your freedom restricted appropriate of nothing.

    There is no reason why you should require a license to enter voluntarily into a contract with another person, and it shouldn't matter whether or not that person has any interest in occasionally boinking you or not.
    Which sounds great right up until I go to a state that believes my marriage is illegitimate for whatever reason, and promptly considers it null and void.

    Because that's what's happening.

    As it stands I am currently suffering no discrimination at all, being heterosexual and all, so removing government from marriage does nothing for me. Can't see how it does anything for anyone else either (besides that it gives states the ability to discriminate based on sexual orientation, of course).

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