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    Re: GOP Benghazi hearings a partisan disgrace?

    I noticed todays threads are nothing more than copy and paste threads from a year ago. That's what's a disgrace.

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    Re: GOP Benghazi hearings a partisan disgrace?

    I don't believe there was deliberate malice from the Administration, causing the Benghazi attack. However, there was some incompetent policies and bungling of information about what was happening on the ground. Possibly caused by indifference and a lack of coordination between the State Department and CIA, which is notoriously arrogant about sharing info.

    Then I think, realizing how bad the situation was handled, resulting in the unnecessary deaths, there was a rush to cover up the facts.
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    Re: GOP Benghazi hearings a partisan disgrace?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    I know this. The line that the administration came out with was not the truth. And they knew that. You can argue over whether or not Ambassador Rice knew that or not (at this point I don't really know on that one). But if she didn't, then at some point the person who changed those talking points did.
    I just don't understand when it became cool for the POTUS to lie to us. Obama blatantly lies. He's done it quite a few times. Yet no one says a word. When Clinton lied, he was impeached. When Bush lied, he was crucified. When Obama lies? Meh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    I just don't understand when it became cool for the POTUS to lie to us. Obama blatantly lies. He's done it quite a few times. Yet no one says a word. When Clinton lied, he was impeached. When Bush lied, he was crucified. When Obama lies? Meh.
    The WH didn't lie. Hell, they didn't even spin. But, I can see you'll never be convinced of that.

    Romney got caught in his debate making the same mistake.

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    Re: GOP Benghazi hearings a partisan disgrace?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    I don't believe there was deliberate malice from the Administration, causing the Benghazi attack. However, there was some incompetent policies and bungling of information about what was happening on the ground. Possibly caused by indifference and a lack of coordination between the State Department and CIA, which is notoriously arrogant about sharing info.

    Then I think, realizing how bad the situation was handled, resulting in the unnecessary deaths, there was a rush to cover up the facts.
    Not only cover up the facts, but cover up the fact that the facts were covered up and the motives for doing that.

    Seriously people, partisanship has a place in today's world because it represents ideologies and what is important to all of us. But we ALL should believe it is important that those elected and appointed to high office be honest, straight forward, and trustworthy with the people. In the Benghazi situation, in the Fast & Furious situation, in the IRS situation, and you can go right down the line, it is obvious that the administration and those appointed to work for it have not been honest, straight forward, and trustworthy with us. And that should bother us all no matter who is in the oval office or congress.

    That is why Benghazi is important. Had that happened on George W. Bush's watch, the people would have taken to the streets in outrage, there would have been a half dozen special prosecutors appointed by now, and the media would have made it front page news for months--all demanding heads on a platter. The fact that it has been pretty much declared a non-story by Obama's surrogate media is disgraceful. That so many of you are willing to just shrug when your government plays you for the fools it believes you to be is disgraceful.
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    Re: GOP Benghazi hearings a partisan disgrace?

    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    The WH didn't lie. Hell, they didn't even spin. But, I can see you'll never be convinced of that.

    Romney got caught in his debate making the same mistake.
    WHAT?! How are the emails NOT showing the WH was spinning this crap? Throughout this whole thing they've said they had nothing to do with crafting the response to this story. That's been proven false. Then, they accused Republicans of "doctoring" (yes, that was said on 3 different news shows by a WH aide) the emails. That's been proven false. These guys, for whatever reason, have covered this thing from the start. It's not a matter of what I need to be convinced of. I just posted earlier that I thought this thing was just a big political show by the GOP until the latest crap came out.
    There was some sort of cover up. Whether it was for political gain (elections were near remember) or to actually cover up the failure of allowing it to happen in the first place, the American people were deceived. No two ways about it. And the WH KNEW they were deceiving us. It doesn't matter why the GOP is doing this. I'm sure it's not because they are all noble beings and truly and passionately believe in this cause. I know it's not that. However, that does not matter one iota. What matters is that the Obama administration lied to us and spun this thing. Period. It shouldn't be cool to lie to the public. He thinks it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    WHAT?! How are the emails NOT showing the WH was spinning this crap? Throughout this whole thing they've said they had nothing to do with crafting the response to this story. That's been proven false. Then, they accused Republicans of "doctoring" (yes, that was said on 3 different news shows by a WH aide) the emails. That's been proven false. These guys, for whatever reason, have covered this thing from the start. It's not a matter of what I need to be convinced of. I just posted earlier that I thought this thing was just a big political show by the GOP until the latest crap came out.
    There was some sort of cover up. Whether it was for political gain (elections were near remember) or to actually cover up the failure of allowing it to happen in the first place, the American people were deceived. No two ways about it. And the WH KNEW they were deceiving us. It doesn't matter why the GOP is doing this. I'm sure it's not because they are all noble beings and truly and passionately believe in this cause. I know it's not that. However, that does not matter one iota. What matters is that the Obama administration lied to us and spun this thing. Period. It shouldn't be cool to lie to the public. He thinks it is.
    Crafting talking points is part of their job. It's not even spin, and it's certainly not lies. The story, as told on 9/12/12, is the same as the facts show today.

    According to an extensive investigation by The New York Times, "The attack does not appear to have been meticulously planned, but neither was it spontaneous or without warning signs." The Times also reports that the attack was "fueled in large part by anger at an American-made video denigrating Islam."
    And, it's not just the NYT

    But in critiquing the Obama administration's comments in 2012 in the moments during and after the Benghazi attack, what would seem more relevant is what the White House and intelligence community reasonably believed was happening.
    After all, at the same time as the unrest in Benghazi, violent outbursts very clearly in reaction to the anti-Islam video were going on in Egypt, Yemen and Sudan. The night of the Benghazi attacks, Al Jazeera reported they appeared to be spontaneous protests against the anti-Islam film.

    As to your outrage that things were edited and re-shaped...I have to wonder if you are new to politics.

    But the talking points were edited! For political motivations!

    That's what talking points are, they are the way political figures on both sides of the aisle attempt to tell the facts in the most favorable light. That said, the CIA gave both parties in Congress the same "talking points" it prepared for Rice. And, as noted, there are plausible national security reasons for not wanting to show our entire intelligence hand amid an active investigation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    Not only cover up the facts, but cover up the fact that the facts were covered up and the motives for doing that.

    Seriously people, partisanship has a place in today's world because it represents ideologies and what is important to all of us. But we ALL should believe it is important that those elected and appointed to high office be honest, straight forward, and trustworthy with the people. In the Benghazi situation, in the Fast & Furious situation, in the IRS situation, and you can go right down the line, it is obvious that the administration and those appointed to work for it have not been honest, straight forward, and trustworthy with us. And that should bother us all no matter who is in the oval office or congress.

    That is why Benghazi is important. Had that happened on George W. Bush's watch, the people would have taken to the streets in outrage, there would have been a half dozen special prosecutors appointed by now, and the media would have made it front page news for months--all demanding heads on a platter. The fact that it has been pretty much declared a non-story by Obama's surrogate media is disgraceful. That so many of you are willing to just shrug when your government plays you for the fools it believes you to be is disgraceful.
    I don't believe all the scandals being pursued by the Republicans are any worse than many things that happen under most Administrations. The IRS and Fast & Furious do not necessarily have anything to do with the President or his people directly. And that's part of the problem with going after everything, hoping something will stick to the wall, they end up with nothing having any impact. Benghazi, on the other hand, was something different, in which the POTUS probably had knowledge and was even responsible for the decision not to send in help. Focus on the serious infraction with intent and effort, and it's more likely not to appear part of an overall witch hunt.
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    Re: GOP Benghazi hearings a partisan disgrace?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    I don't believe all the scandals being pursued by the Republicans are any worse than many things that happen under most Administrations. The IRS and Fast & Furious do not necessarily have anything to do with the President or his people directly. And that's part of the problem with going after everything, hoping something will stick to the wall, they end up with nothing having any impact. Benghazi, on the other hand, was something different, in which the POTUS probably had knowledge and was even responsible for the decision not to send in help. Focus on the serious infraction with intent and effort, and it's more likely not to appear part of an overall witch hunt.
    When the POTUS stands sanctimoneously behind a microphone and indignantly condemns an IRS practice and promises to get to the bottom of it. . . .when subsequent investigation shows that the IRS practices were clearly politically motivated in advance of a general election. . . when it is almost a certainly that the political motivation was initiated at the highest levels of the White House. . . .and then the same POTUS stands before a microphone and self righteously pronounces that there is not a smidgeon of evidence of any scandal and the GOP has invented phony scandals. . . .

    . . . . that is as egregious as covering up very bad choices at Benghazi. It is a near certainty that Obama or his people did not order the attack at Benghazi, but they had strong political motivation to deliberately misrepresent what it was. And it appears they did so. And that should be intolerable to freedom loving Americans who want to be able to trust their government. It would deserve public exposure and strong censure.

    But it is increasingly likely that somebody in the Obama administration did give Lois Lerner her marching orders at the IRS and those orders were to improperly/illegally deny legal rights to numerous conservative organizations, and if that is what they did, that should be an impeachable offense.
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    Re: GOP Benghazi hearings a partisan disgrace?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Yes, it's become another partisian witch-hunt that Fox News runs 24/7 while certain preening republican congress-critters are using to taint potential democratic candidates in 2016. It's pretty disgraceful, that disgraceful is SOP for congress nowadays, on both sides of the aisle.

    Issa is now and always has been an exceptionally smelly partisian turd in an overflowing toilet. I'm ashamed he's from my state.
    You are not looking at the issue from an objective standpoint. You are simply tooting the Democrat partisan horn Dianna. You are repeating their mantra like a good little brainless drone. You are usually above doing that. I don't know why you suddenly act like this.

    In regards to the Benghazi coordinated and sustained AQ terrorist attack on 9/11, the fact of the matter is that Obama administration repeatedly lied to congress and the American people about what happened. And it is imperative that at the very least congress knows the truth. And why we the people and congress were lied to in the first place. It is unacceptable for the executive branch to keep lying to the legislative branch. It borders on treason.

    There is nothing partisan whatsoever about congress wanting to get to the bottom of the matter.

    The only partisanship is coming from the Democrats. If the Democrats in congress actually gave a **** about US national security they would be just as pissed off as the Republicans about being lied to repeatedly by the Obama administration regarding a national security matter. The only reason they are not is because of their partisanship. Partisanship is the one and only reason that congressional Democrats are giving the Obama administration a free pass on this shocking and horrendous scandal.

    It is the Dumbocrats that are being the partisan jerks.
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