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    Re: Culture of corruption

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    More silly and useless partisan pukery. Obama Administration corrupt? Yes. Compared to what? Show me an administration in recent memory that hasn't been corrupt.
    corruption is the grease that drives American politics. Power is the worst corrupter of all.

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    Re: Culture of corruption

    Corruption can be a culture and it can be thwarted with equal or a larger amount of non corrupt people. Whether this has anything to do with your leaders is another story. But I personally think that has nothing to do with them.
    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Stats come out and always show life getting better. News makes money in making you think its not.
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    Re: Culture of corruption

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    How many lives lost in these two wars thanks to the Bush 1 and 2? If you are som worried about lost American lives, count all of our service folks lost there.
    Doh... let's see.

    TIME FOR A SHORT HISTORY TEST


    1. Why did Bush 41 assemble a coalition to wage Gulf War 1?
    a. Nothing to do.
    b. Needed to test the latest military technology.
    c. War Monger.
    d. He wanted to convert them to Christianity.
    e. Saddam invaded Kuwait.

    2. Why did Bush 43 go into Iraq?

    a. Clinton did nothing for 8-years except get a dozen or more UN Resolutions that did nothing.
    b. Because 500,000 children and 500,000 adults died and Maddie Albright said it was worth it.
    c. He wanted to test the military and see where they stood after 8-years of Clinton neglect.
    d. Because war is fun.
    e. Because Saddam had 12-years and 17 UN Resolutions, did not prove he disarmed (accordning to Hans Blix), and after 911 there was fear he would give WMD to terrorists.

    3. Why did Clinton send Sec. Def. Cohen on a public mission to warn the country/world about how a little lunch bag of WMD could kill hundreds of thousands?

    a. Clinton thought it would be fun.
    b. He thought it would impress the women.
    c. He likes playing games.
    d. Hillary told him to.
    e. He feared that after Saddam kicked out the UN Inspectors that he would use WMD and wanted to set the oundation for an attack to neutralize Saddam.

    4. Why did ranking Libs like Daschle, Kennedy, Gore, Clinton, etc. etc. go on public record warning about Saddam and his WMD after he kicked out the UN Inspectors?
    a. They wanted some face time.
    b. They had nothing better to do.
    c. They lost a poker game and this is what they had to do for losing.
    d. They were drunk and stoned.
    e. They feared what Saddam might do with the WMD they believed he had.

    Why do Libs fail to learn their history?
    ... please learn this... ONE TIME...
    Last edited by zimmer; 05-07-13 at 08:32 PM.
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    when you have NO MORAL COMPASS.

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    Re: Culture of corruption

    Newsflash ladies and gents there are such things called suprise attacks.
    But we can keep playing the card "obama sucks, liberals sucks, democrats suck".


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    Re: Culture of corruption

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    2. Why did Bush 43 go into Iraq?[/B]
    Another important driver was that Iraq started to sell oil in the Euro instead of the US Dollar. In the beginning it was seen as stupid because the dollar was stronger than the Euro, but as the dollar slid and the Euro grew the serious threat of the US Dollar losing its status as reserve currency was too dangerous.

    People are corrupt. Unfortunately some are much better at it than others. Those become crooks, politicians and wall st. titans.

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    Re: Culture of corruption

    I think that economic policies of the present administration are extremely damaging, that their philosophy of governing is rotten, and their record on civil liberties is horrible, and that overall the Obama reign will go down in history as a dark stretch.

    But.

    I honestly don't see them as any more corrupt than any other administration since Ike. Not at this point.

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    Re: Culture of corruption

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    I honestly don't see them as any more corrupt than any other administration since Ike. Not at this point.
    Most likely the first administration was corrupt and set precedence.

    Anyway, you bring up a good point that this, like most other points on this forum, really isn't about the left-right divide but a symptom of something much more deep rooted. I think it goes really deep into the human psyche and has everything to do with dealing with scarcity. Because of scarcity we tend to want to hoard and control as much resources as possible to guarantee our individual survival, even if at the expense of everyone else. Whereas today most people think we swim in a sea of abundance, and decadence rules the land, there are still many for whom enough is never enough.

    Convince everyone that we have arrived in a period of abundance and maybe corruption will subside.

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    Re: Culture of corruption

    Quote Originally Posted by kenc View Post
    Convince everyone that we have arrived in a period of abundance and maybe corruption will subside.
    Well, we are already convinced, to a great extent - and, in realty, our corruption is very limited, comparing to what's going on in Russia, India, Brazil, or Mexico (to name a few countries of comparable size and social complexity).

    But I suspect that the instinct you are talking about, while quite real, plays a secondary role. Most of corruption stems from the structural flaws that can be fixed by limiting the scope and role of government. It should be a cop and a guard, not a business partner or distributor of goodies.

    All such rosters should be taken with a grain of salt, but if we look, for example, at the dozen of "least corrupt" and the dozen of "most corrupt" polities of the world in the Corruption Perception Index of the Transparency International, you see strong negative correlation between liberalism (in the European sense - "libertarianism") and corruption. The free-market havens of New Zealand, Switzerland, Canada, Australia, Singapore, Denmark, etc are viewed as the least corrupt (Chile being the least corrupt in Latin America and the developing world at large), while authoritarian socialists are bunched up at the bottom: North Korea, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Venezuela, Zimbabwe, Ukraine...). (2012 Corruption Perceptions Index -- Results)

    Of course, it may be just that liberalism works in places that are culturally resistant to corruption, and fails elsewhere, but it is hard to believe that Chile (#20) and Ecuador (#118) or Argentina (#102) are THAT different culturally. Or that Taiwan, Hong Kong and Singapore (## 37, 14, 5) are populated by some different kinds of Chinese (China: #80)
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    Re: Culture of corruption

    Quote Originally Posted by kenc View Post
    Another important driver was that Iraq started to sell oil in the Euro instead of the US Dollar. In the beginning it was seen as stupid because the dollar was stronger than the Euro, but as the dollar slid and the Euro grew the serious threat of the US Dollar losing its status as reserve currency was too dangerous.

    People are corrupt. Unfortunately some are much better at it than others. Those become crooks, politicians and wall st. titans.
    During the Clinton years it was known oil was being sold... through Turkey if I recall.

    There was the Oil for Food Corruption scandal the press was not too eager to cover either... with the French banks raking in tons of cash.
    The Clintons are what happens...
    when you have NO MORAL COMPASS.

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    Re: Culture of corruption

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Newsflash ladies and gents there are such things called suprise attacks.
    But we can keep playing the card "obama sucks, liberals sucks, democrats suck".
    Culture of Corruption... you know where that phrase came from? The root? When it happened?

    Mark Foley. Homosexual sexting underage assistants. Mid Term Election 2006.

    We have 4 dead, a coverup that involves top brass in the Obama Admin. ... including Obama and Clinton.
    We have either massive incompetence, a coverup or both.

    And what do we get from the Socialists?

    Drivel... Pure drivel.
    The Clintons are what happens...
    when you have NO MORAL COMPASS.

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