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Huckabee: Benghazi will drive Obama from office

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I know something about the chain of command in the military, in 1964 I was ordered to go to South Korea from Ft. Gordon, Ga.

From my understanding those four people were needed in Tripoli as they feared an attack and it would be too late to get to Benghazi to do any good.

Where that reasoning fails is that Hicks, the senior American authority in Tripoli, did not think they were more needed in Tripoli than in Benghazi.:shock:
 
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Where that reasoning fails is that Hicks, the senior American authority in Tripoli, did not think they were more needed in Tripoli than in Benghazi.:shock:

During questioning, Hicks confirmed that the team was ready to be deployed — not to join the fighting at the CIA annex — but “to secure the airport for the withdrawal of our personnel from Benghazi after the mortar attack.” Hicks also confirmed that it was the second such team to be readied for deployment, with the first having proceeded to Benghazi earlier. Despite the second team not deploying, the staff was all evacuated first to Tripoli, then to Germany, within 18 hours of the attack taking place.

GOP Star Witnesses Debunk Right-Wing Benghazi Conspiracy Theories | ThinkProgress
 

As CIC, Obama is responsible for the actions of the men under his command.

If Obama went to bed, when the attack was going on and gave NO order, then he's derelict in his duty as CIC.

Ya see? Here in the real world, Obama doesn't get to wear the laurel wreath for killing UBL and then become totally immune of any responsibility for Benghazi.

When you're in command, command! Commanding means eating the crap, just like you eat the candy. What'd Obama do? He lied about why the attack happened. Why did he lie? Because he knows he was derelict in his duty. Dereliction of duty is a crime.
 
During questioning, Hicks confirmed that the team was ready to be deployed — not to join the fighting at the CIA annex — but “to secure the airport for the withdrawal of our personnel from Benghazi after the mortar attack.” Hicks also confirmed that it was the second such team to be readied for deployment, with the first having proceeded to Benghazi earlier. Despite the second team not deploying, the staff was all evacuated first to Tripoli, then to Germany, within 18 hours of the attack taking place.

GOP Star Witnesses Debunk Right-Wing Benghazi Conspiracy Theories | ThinkProgress

Yes. None of that is in dispute. The first team that had deployed to Benghazi had been civilians, and included one of those who was killed. The order to stand down was shameful, but did not cost any lives.:peace
 
As CIC, Obama is responsible for the actions of the men under his command.

If Obama went to bed, when the attack was going on and gave NO order, then he's derelict in his duty as CIC.

Ya see? Here in the real world, Obama doesn't get to wear the laurel wreath for killing UBL and then become totally immune of any responsibility for Benghazi.

When you're in command, command! Commanding means eating the crap, just like you eat the candy. What'd Obama do? He lied about why the attack happened. Why did he lie? Because he knows he was derelict in his duty. Dereliction of duty is a crime.
BS
Are you STILL jealous Obama got Osama bin Laden?
 
Yes. None of that is in dispute. The first team that had deployed to Benghazi had been civilians, and included one of those who was killed. The order to stand down was shameful, but did not cost any lives.:peace
Who gave the order to stand down?
 
It was. I haven't seen anything to support your claim that Clinton sent al-Magariaf a cable on 9/12, categorically stating "it was terrorists."



The US had almost no involvement. Nor would Libyans take it well if a bunch of Europeans showed up and tried to organize their country well. The "end game" is to let Libyans determine their own fate, and supply support if they ask for it.

And really, this claim is just an attempt to co-opt the massive failure by Bush to properly handle the regime changes in Iraq and Afghanistan.



No, it isn't. The focus is almost entirely on the Blame Game and the alleged cover-up, not detailed methods to figure out how to protect diplomatic missions without turning them into miniature fortresses.

The reality is that there will always be a balancing act between security and openness for such establishments. As the GAO reminds us, as long as we have any government presence in a volatile region, there's always the possibility they could be attacked. Nor is it beneficial to turn them into miniature fortresses -- unless you think nothing says "diplomacy" better than high concrete walls topped with concertina wire, tire spike strips, a couple of machine gun nests and a tank (for good measure).

Even if we could, there are plenty of other non-governmental "soft targets" in highly volatile regions. If they hadn't gone after a diplomatic mission, they would have gone after an oil field or a hotel that caters to foreign journalists.

This is not about safety. It's about elections.

Sept. 12: Libya’s deputy ambassador to London, Ahmad Jibril, tells the BBC that Ansar al-Sharia was behind the attack. The little-known militant group issues a statement that says it “didn’t participate as a sole entity,” neither confirming nor denying the report.

Sept. 12: Citing unnamed “U.S. government officials,” Reuters reports that “the Benghazi attack may have been planned in advance” and that members of Ansar al-Sharia “may have been involved.” Reuters quotes one of the U.S. officials as saying: “It bears the hallmarks of an organized attack.”......snip~

FactCheck.org : Benghazi Timeline


[UPDATE - Rep. Trey Gowdy also revealed an email sent on 9/12 in which Assistant Sec. Jones confirmed to a Libyan official that the attack had been carried out by terrorist organization Ansar al-Sharia].

The Damning Dozen: Twelve Revelations from the Benghazi Hearings - Guy Benson

How about the CIA?

Washington (CNN) -- Former CIA Director David Petraeus testified on Capitol Hill Friday that the attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Libya, in September was an act of terrorism committed by al Qaeda-linked militants.

The former CIA chief has said there was a stream of intelligence from multiple sources, including video at the scene, that indicated Ansar al Sharia was behind the attack, according to an official with knowledge of the situation.

"She knew at that point and time that al Qaeda was very likely responsible in part or in whole for the death of Ambassador Stevens," he said, intimating that Rice should have said that.....snip~

Ex-CIA chief Petraeus testifies Benghazi attack was al Qaeda-linked terrorism - CNN.com


Which that changes nothing about Team Obama misleading the American people.....nor changing up those terms over Terrorists.
 
I know something about the chain of command in the military, in 1964 I was ordered to go to South Korea from Ft. Gordon, Ga.

Fascinating. Do you think that perhaps higher command had something to do with that, or was your unit commander just off on a wild tear?\\

From my understanding those four people were needed in Tripoli as they feared an attack and it would be too late to get to Benghazi to do any good.

Then your understanding is incorrect - as we had both the personnel and the time to cover both locations. Heck, a team of diplomats made it, much less SOF.
 
Who gave the order to stand down?

THAT is currently the million dollar question. We know that the SECSTATE was getting live updates, and that State had command of the situation, so I would bet either her or someone next to her with her direction. But we don't know (yet). But I would bet it's going to come out.
 
How can one go to sleep with people you sent out there fighting for their very lives? Ice water in veins maybe, compassionate and caring? Only when it suits his ambition.
I don't know. It's a foreign concept to most of us.
 
there has been two wars going on 24/7 most of the time he has been in office, adn I dont think GWB lost much sleep either. I seriously doubt he went to sleep during the crisis, when I first heard anything like that it was Rush doing a skit that obama went to his room and wouldnt come out becaue he was mad. Then it kinda got incorporated into the RW spin.
I don't know. It's a foreign concept to most of us.
 
there has been two wars going on 24/7 most of the time he has been in office, adn I dont think GWB lost much sleep either. I seriously doubt he went to sleep during the crisis, when I first heard anything like that it was Rush doing a skit that obama went to his room and wouldnt come out becaue he was mad. Then it kinda got incorporated into the RW spin.
I don't "know" that Obama was actually asleep, and I certainly didn't hear it from Limbaugh because I don't listen. We do know there weren't any phone calls back and forth, so at least figuratively he was asleep. Could he have been playing with his twinkie? One never knows.
 
I heard it, while he was still in shock from losing the election. Funny how that skit made it into the RW propaganda machine. It really should be embaressing.
I don't "know" that Obama was actually asleep, and I certainly didn't hear it from Limbaugh because I don't listen. We do know there weren't any phone calls back and forth, so at least figuratively he was asleep. Could he have been playing with his twinkie? One never knows.
 
I heard it, while he was still in shock from losing the election. Funny how that skit made it into the RW propaganda machine. It really should be embaressing.
I'm not that easily embarrassed. For all he did, Obama may as well have been asleep. Was he? I don't know, and I really don't care. All kinds of horse crap makes it into the propaganda of political discourse all the time, and both sides do it. It's very easy to attribute motive to any speech or action. It's not so easy to develop a really good lie, though. It took 12 revisions to develop a bad one, so just imagine what could've been required for a good one.
 
If you dont know and dont care, why do you keep repeating it? Repeating something you do not reasonalby believe to be true is a lie. I can remember the day I would not have had to explain that. I doubt there is much more truth to the revisions thing, but the lunch menu upstairs gets revised more that that every day.
I'm not that easily embarrassed. For all he did, Obama may as well have been asleep. Was he? I don't know, and I really don't care. All kinds of horse crap makes it into the propaganda of political discourse all the time, and both sides do it. It's very easy to attribute motive to any speech or action. It's not so easy to develop a really good lie, though. It took 12 revisions to develop a bad one, so just imagine what could've been required for a good one.
 
If you dont know and dont care, why do you keep repeating it? Repeating something you do not reasonalby believe to be true is a lie. I can remember the day I would not have had to explain that. I doubt there is much more truth to the revisions thing, but the lunch menu upstairs gets revised more that that every day.
Given his level of non-involvement, Obama may as well have been asleep, and that's all I require. You might want to check with WH stewards to verify whether or not he was actually asleep, but as I said, it really doesn't matter to me. He was asleep at the wheel. That revision thing? Check with ABC News. They're the ones that broke that story, and they have copies of those pesky things. The lunch menu revisions just might be of slightly lesser consequence, but of course that's just a guess on my part, too.
 
Who gave the order to stand down?
THAT is currently the million dollar question. We know that the SECSTATE was getting live updates, and that State had command of the situation, so I would bet either her or someone next to her with her direction. But we don't know (yet). But I would bet it's going to come out.

The answer to the question is that nobody gave the order, it's a story that's has roots at Fox, but it's simply not true a stand down order was given. The Fox story by Jennifer Griffin:

EXCLUSIVE: CIA operators were denied request for help during Benghazi attack, sources say | Fox News

The real story from DOD:

DOD Cooperates With Congress on Benghazi Probes


DOD Cooperates With Congress on Benghazi Probes


By Jim Garamone
American Forces Press Service


WASHINGTON, May 8, 2013 – The Defense Department has cooperated fully with Congress and the State Department on the investigation into the attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Libya, that led to the death of four U.S. citizens, Pentagon Press Secretary George Little said here today.


A number of panels on Capitol Hill are examining the incident, which occurred September 11, 2012.


DOD officials provided a full accounting of military actions, “before, during and after” the attack. “The fact remains -- as we have repeatedly indicated -- that United States forces could not have arrived in time to mount a rescue of those Americans killed or injured that night,” Little said.


The attacks killed U.S. Ambassador to Libya J. Christopher Stevens, information officer Sean Smith, and former Navy SEALs Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty.


The U.S. military responded quickly to notifications of the attack on the Benghazi consulate, the spokesman said.
Little specifically addressed what military personnel in the Libyan capital of Tripoli were doing during the attack. Special operations personnel, he said, were in Libya in general support of embassy security and to aid the movement of embassy personnel.


Little reiterated that two service members did go from Tripoli to Benghazi that evening. These personnel were members of a quick reaction force quickly put together.


“We also had four personnel who continued a mission in Tripoli to support the relocation of American embassy personnel to that location,” Little said. “This is against a backdrop of uncertainty and concerns of threats to diplomatic installations throughout the region.”


The four personnel stayed in the area to relocate American embassy personnel from various embassy facilities to a U.S. embassy annex in Tripoli, Little said.


These four personnel attempted to travel to Benghazi. “The team leader of this four-man unit, called Special Operations Command—Africa to tell them that the movement of personnel to the annex was complete,” Little said. “He then reported his intention to move his team to Benghazi aboard a Libyan C-130.”


But by this time, the mission in Benghazi had shifted to evacuation. The higher command directed the team leader “to continue providing support to the embassy in Tripoli,” Little said.


“We continue to believe there was nothing this team could have done to assist during the second attack in Benghazi,” he added.



The four-man team remained in Tripoli and played a key role in receiving, treating and moving the wounded from Benghazi.
 
Exclusive: Benghazi Talking Points Underwent 12 Revisions, Scrubbed of Terror Reference.....

When it became clear last fall that the CIA’s now discredited Benghazi talking points were flawed, the White House said repeatedly the documents were put together almost entirely by the intelligence community, but White House documents reviewed by Congress suggest a different story.

ABC News has obtained 12 different versions of the talking points that show they were extensively edited as they evolved from the drafts first written entirely by the CIA to the final version distributed to Congress and to U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. Susan Rice before she appeared on five talk shows the Sunday after that attack.


White House emails reviewed by ABC News suggest the edits were made with extensive input from the State Department. The edits included requests from the State Department that references to the Al Qaeda-affiliated group Ansar al-Sharia be deleted as well references to CIA warnings about terrorist threats in Benghazi in the months preceding the attack.

That would appear to directly contradict what White House Press Secretary Jay Carney said about the talking points in November.

“Those talking points originated from the intelligence community. They reflect the IC’s best assessments of what they thought had happened,” Carney told reporters at the White House press briefing on November 28, 2012. “The White House and the State Department have made clear that the single adjustment that was made to those talking points by either of those two institutions were changing the word ‘consulate’ to ‘diplomatic facility’ because ‘consulate’ was inaccurate.”

Summaries of White House and State Department emails — some of which were first published by Stephen Hayes of the Weekly Standard — show that the State Department had extensive input into the editing of the talking points.

State Department spokesman Victoria Nuland raised specific objections to this paragraph drafted by the CIA in its earlier versions of the talking points:


“The Agency has produced numerous pieces on the threat of extremists linked to al-Qa’ida in Benghazi and eastern Libya. These noted that, since April, there have been at least five other attacks against foreign interests in Benghazi by unidentified assailants, including the June attack against the British Ambassador’s convoy. We cannot rule out the individuals has previously surveilled the U.S. facilities, also contributing to the efficacy of the attacks.”

In an email to officials at the White House and the intelligence agencies, State Department spokesman Victoria Nuland took issue with including that information because it “could be abused by members [of Congress] to beat up the State Department for not paying attention to warnings, so why would we want to feed that either? Concerned …”
The paragraph was entirely deleted.....snip~

Exclusive: Benghazi Talking Points Underwent 12 Revisions, Scrubbed of Terror Reference - ABC News

Well.....that's not good for team Obama, Is it?
 
No matter what comes out, it will still be a coverup by the Obama administration. Faux intentionally tried to manipulate the election with this story and now has to stick to it. What if some news organization does this next election?
The answer to the question is that nobody gave the order, it's a story that's has roots at Fox, but it's simply not true a stand down order was given. The Fox story by Jennifer Griffin:

EXCLUSIVE: CIA operators were denied request for help during Benghazi attack, sources say | Fox News

The real story from DOD:

DOD Cooperates With Congress on Benghazi Probes


DOD Cooperates With Congress on Benghazi Probes


By Jim Garamone
American Forces Press Service


WASHINGTON, May 8, 2013 – The Defense Department has cooperated fully with Congress and the State Department on the investigation into the attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Libya, that led to the death of four U.S. citizens, Pentagon Press Secretary George Little said here today.


A number of panels on Capitol Hill are examining the incident, which occurred September 11, 2012.


DOD officials provided a full accounting of military actions, “before, during and after” the attack. “The fact remains -- as we have repeatedly indicated -- that United States forces could not have arrived in time to mount a rescue of those Americans killed or injured that night,” Little said.


The attacks killed U.S. Ambassador to Libya J. Christopher Stevens, information officer Sean Smith, and former Navy SEALs Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty.


The U.S. military responded quickly to notifications of the attack on the Benghazi consulate, the spokesman said.
Little specifically addressed what military personnel in the Libyan capital of Tripoli were doing during the attack. Special operations personnel, he said, were in Libya in general support of embassy security and to aid the movement of embassy personnel.


Little reiterated that two service members did go from Tripoli to Benghazi that evening. These personnel were members of a quick reaction force quickly put together.


“We also had four personnel who continued a mission in Tripoli to support the relocation of American embassy personnel to that location,” Little said. “This is against a backdrop of uncertainty and concerns of threats to diplomatic installations throughout the region.”


The four personnel stayed in the area to relocate American embassy personnel from various embassy facilities to a U.S. embassy annex in Tripoli, Little said.


These four personnel attempted to travel to Benghazi. “The team leader of this four-man unit, called Special Operations Command—Africa to tell them that the movement of personnel to the annex was complete,” Little said. “He then reported his intention to move his team to Benghazi aboard a Libyan C-130.”


But by this time, the mission in Benghazi had shifted to evacuation. The higher command directed the team leader “to continue providing support to the embassy in Tripoli,” Little said.


“We continue to believe there was nothing this team could have done to assist during the second attack in Benghazi,” he added.



The four-man team remained in Tripoli and played a key role in receiving, treating and moving the wounded from Benghazi.
 
What has escaped me? For what rational reason would President Obama issue a stand down order?
Look ... it's tough enough to cover up what had already happened so perhaps he didn't want to risk another mess that would have been much harder to cover up. What's he gonna say "I sent in a military force to stop a demonstration?".
Don't forget ... he had a 4 year stretch of it's America's fault going while pushing the notion that radical Islam was fading under his watch so having to go after a bunch of radical Islamists kind of takes the wind out of those sails.
Besides ... he had places to go and people to see unrelated to his dead ambassador, his assistant, and 2 Seals.
 
No matter what comes out, it will still be a coverup by the Obama administration. Faux intentionally tried to manipulate the election with this story and now has to stick to it. What if some news organization does this next election?
Happen to see Jonathan Karl's ABC piece about the talking points?
 
Huckabee runs the same money-making gimmick over and over...

Running ads urging people to phone in a "signature" on a petition such as against ObamaCare - and of course asking for a contribution and getting the person on his mailing and phone list - to use for himself and to sell to rightwing and religous groups. A Huckabee petition won't change a vote in Congress and everyone knows it. But he can raise millions upon millions. It was Glenn Beck who pioneered this tactic.
 
And they call the libs sheeple...
Huckabee runs the same money-making gimmick over and over...

Running ads urging people to phone in a "signature" on a petition such as against ObamaCare - and of course asking for a contribution and getting the person on his mailing and phone list - to use for himself and to sell to rightwing and religous groups. A Huckabee petition won't change a vote in Congress and everyone knows it. But he can raise millions upon millions. It was Glenn Beck who pioneered this tactic.
 
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