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Huckabee: Benghazi will drive Obama from office

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Perotista said:
I think you will have a new face for the Democrats in 2016, not Biden and not Hillary. I do not know what will happen as I do not know how much there is there. I do think blaming it on the video was bunk. Even my hero IKE lied at first about the U-2 flight over Russia, a weather observation flight. LBJ probably told the American people more lies than truth, but he had a compliant Democratic Congress who were about to investigate him. LBJ did use the IRS, CIA and FBI to get back at his political opponents. Something Nixon only tried, but Nixon had a congress of the opposite party. I could give a bunch more examples. I will wait to see how this all plays out. For me it will take quite a lot to convince me we should over turn an election by impeaching the president. The video story, although a lie isn't one of them. Now if it can be shown he keep these witnesses from testifying by using threats and other means, covered up a bunch of pertinent details to keep them hidden from the voters, then I will think about it. Especially with coercion to keep witnesses from telling their story. But we are not there yet. Until we are, I will not jump on either bandwagon, accusing or defending.
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Even if they do prove any of that.....none of it will be enough to Impeach Obama. Washington paid the Price after they did it to Nixon. They learned from that mistake after they took their shot on Bilbo.

The only thing that really will happen. Is Obama wont be a Grandstanding Star anymore, and not with the Liberal media.
 
polgara said:
Good evening, Pero. :2wave:

Who is calling for overturning an election? Not I. I don't need that stress. I only want very much to learn why help was not sent to men pleading for assistance. And I want to feel assured that this won't ever happen again, no matter who is in office! :shock:
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But it will happen again, because , as I stated earlier, the image of the military is a Hollywood image being hawked for all it can get by Hollywood..................
 
polgara said:
I wonder who will be the first to cry "racism?" Seems to be the usual fallback when all else fails! :bs: Mistakes were made here, and they need to be acknowledged and corrected. No more deflection, please! Four Americans were killed by thugs because help did not arrive!
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mistakes being made happens all the time. But trying to cover them up is where a crime comes in. Threatening people to keep them from testifying is a crime, but we do not know that, yet. This all has to play out. There may be a there there, yet again there may not be. During Watergate, for about a year and a half, the democrats tried to crucify Nixon and the republicans defended him to the hilt. Stalemate. Then the smoking fun emerged and the Republicans couldn't run away from Nixon fast enough.

If there is a smoking gun there, maybe, maybe not. But if there is the Democrats in congress will put on their running shoes and if there is not. They will become like the Rock of Gibraltar. For those partisans on both sides this is very hard to take and impossible to stay quiet. Each side think there has been a great wrong done here, the GOP thinks cover up and worse, the Democrats think witch hunt and an attempt to overturn a duly won election. Sanity is gone for both sides.
 
polgara said:
Good evening, Pero. :2wave:

Who is calling for overturning an election? Not I. I don't need that stress. I only want very much to learn why help was not sent to men pleading for assistance. And I want to feel assured that this won't ever happen again, no matter who is in office! :shock:
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Okay, hang in there girl, the whole story will come out. One side or the other won't like it, but it will come out.
 
MMC said:
Even if they do prove any of that.....none of it will be enough to Impeach Obama. Washington paid the Price after they did it to Nixon. They learned from that mistake after they took their shot on Bilbo.

The only thing that really will happen. Is Obama wont be a Grandstanding Star anymore, and not with the Liberal media.
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Probably so. If there is a there, there. Am I using that phrase too much? Look for the GOP to take the senate next year.
 
I agree with this completely. If I really believed there were assets on hand that could have saved American lives and not used merely for political reasons I would be furious. I just dont believe it, it would have been more politically expedient for Obama to start a small war during an election. But we wont know until the fact really do come out. And then some of them have to be classified. We shall see. I was reading an article in Janes not long ago about the only country in the world that can annihilate any spot on earth, that day with conventional weapons being the United States. But there are limits to our powers. I think a lot of people dont understand that.
Perotista said:
mistakes being made happens all the time. But trying to cover them up is where a crime comes in. Threatening people to keep them from testifying is a crime, but we do not know that, yet. This all has to play out. There may be a there there, yet again there may not be. During Watergate, for about a year and a half, the democrats tried to crucify Nixon and the republicans defended him to the hilt. Stalemate. Then the smoking fun emerged and the Republicans couldn't run away from Nixon fast enough.

If there is a smoking gun there, maybe, maybe not. But if there is the Democrats in congress will put on their running shoes and if there is not. They will become like the Rock of Gibraltar. For those partisans on both sides this is very hard to take and impossible to stay quiet. Each side think there has been a great wrong done here, the GOP thinks cover up and worse, the Democrats think witch hunt and an attempt to overturn a duly won election. Sanity is gone for both sides.
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mak2 said:
I agree with this completely. If I really believed there were assets on hand that could have saved American lives and not used merely for political reasons I would be furious. I just dont believe it, it would have been more politically expedient for Obama to start a small war during an election. But we wont know until the fact really do come out. And then some of them have to be classified. We shall see. I was reading an article in Janes not long ago about the only country in the world that can annihilate any spot on earth, that day with conventional weapons being the United States. But there are limits to our powers. I think a lot of people dont understand that.
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I agree. It's sounding more like a "conspiracy to cover up gross ineptitude", which sounds Orwellian even for an already Orwellian Right.....................
 
mak2 said:
I agree with this completely. If I really believed there were assets on hand that could have saved American lives and not used merely for political reasons I would be furious. I just dont believe it, it would have been more politically expedient for Obama to start a small war during an election. But we wont know until the fact really do come out. And then some of them have to be classified. We shall see. I was reading an article in Janes not long ago about the only country in the world that can annihilate any spot on earth, that day with conventional weapons being the United States. But there are limits to our powers. I think a lot of people dont understand that.
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Tell me about it. Did I type fun instead of gun. Oh well. Yes, definately limits to our power unless we want to put an end to all life on this planet and I do not think that is a very good idea. Reading Janes is a good way to keep up with all the technology and weapons of pretty much all the countries of the world.

We'll find out what exactly happened, so far it has all be speculation. Yes, I think there will be a lot of the stuff that is classified and if these committees, both Republicans and Democrats go into a classified meeting to find out that information, I hope they keep it to themselves and no use it for political use one way or the other. Congress is famous for leaks and using classified information for political talking points.

There are times when I think an administration, any administration shouldn't tell congress anything as they leak so bad. But then, we can't keep the American people in the dark about everything. Or can we?
 
MMC said:
Yeah usually that is the case.....but this time we are going with those Democratic tactics. What helps change this up is having those that know how to respond off the cuff. Which Repub just aren't that good at doing so. Well.....they use to have that problem. Not anymore! ;)
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I'm not sure if I agree. The tone of the message I'm perceiving is celebratory by many in the GOP as if the killing of an American ambassador by terrorists works out to be a huge victory. It kind of reminds me of the glee I hear from conservative circles every time news reports that another kid has been murdered in Chicago. It's not like there's any remorse for the victims or if there is it just isn't believable but rather its like "Touchdown! We we're building a case against that Obama is an effective role model to inner-city males and in his own home town! Go team!" I'll be honest, these kind of attitudes make some people want to vomit and consider the GOP culture to be sick. If you're immersed in the we hate the democrats movement so deeply and eat, drink and sleep right-wing propaganda almost 24/7 its hard to see how this comes across by people not in the same culture but it honestly does create an entirely different reaction that what you might think.
 
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Smeagol said:
I'm not sure if I agree. The tone of the message I'm perceiving is celebratory by many in the GOP as if the killing of an American ambassador my terrorists works out to be a huge victory. It kind of reminds me of the glee I hear from conservative circles every time news reports that another kid has been murdered in Chicago. It's not like there's any remorse for the victims or if there is it just isn't believable but rather its like "Touchdown! We we're building a case against that Obama is an effective role model to inner-city males and in his own home town! Go team!" I'll be honest, these kind of attitudes make some people want to vomit and consider the GOP culture to be sick. If you're immersed in the we hate the democrats movement so deeply and eat, drink and sleep right-wing propaganda almost 24/7 its hard to see how this comes across by people not in the same culture but it honestly does create an entirely different reaction that what you might think.
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Well some of the GOP are like that.....but it is like I said before. People going forward have to have trust in their Government. Trust that we will come for them should harm come their way. You will know the difference by those today that will get up and make speeches and do all that grandstanding. Or by those that sit and ask questions trying to get to the bottom of things. Letting the Witnesses testify. Those that are about the Speeches like half of those Senators were. Then you will have your answer about them.

Technically.....if Obama and his Team would have just admitted all that has come out now from the get go. Then what would have happened? Other than the country coming together. This investigation would be over. We would have either people tracked down or captured or killed. We wouldn't be having trouble with the New Leadership of Libya. The FBI wouldn't have been held up. The CIA wouldn't be looking to lawyer up. They would be focusing on what they need to do in Libya. Considering there wasn't no End Game for after the removal of Gadhafi. All of OUR Focus would be going after those who were involved. Which means these guys wouldn't be sitting in 4 star Hotels talking about who really runs Libya and not worrying that we can't get to them.

So myself.....I don't go for the trivialization of any of it. The remarks by Clinton are a disgrace. The difference it makes is to those who have fallen.....and for all those who are out there doing their Duty Now!

I can understand those on the Right acting this way.....when all has been denied in front of their face. Even to sheer admittance as to things Team Obama had, or has stated. With arguments about that they never said this or that. All due to one word in their sentence not being what someone on the Right said. Or the conspiracy theory crap. Or the deflection with Fox news and all that hypocrisy of Faux Outrage.

I can understand how you feel about the Chicago and the Obama thing. Although the majority in there are his own, that are bitching about him and talking smack. Will also more than likely be the first to get up and start talking smack about him too. Which is why I rather listen to Blue-Dog Democrats. Those who know what it is like in busting their azz to make a living. Which they themselves have no problem questioning Progressives over any issues.
 
This right here is why I say this Benghazi situation has turned into a three-ring circus for the Republicans.

This is what they want...Obama out of office. That is ALL they care about. Benghazi=Watergate in their minds. Instead of trying to get answers for the fallen Americans' families....they want them to drive out the current administration.

That is shameful and a disgrace to those killed in Benghazi. Find out the answers and get closure...stop making this a ploy to gain political positioning.
 
Jeez...Obama (and Bush before him) send thousands of noble-minded Americans to their deaths for practically nothing in Iraq and Afghanistan and few bat an eye.

But three Americans die in an Embassy and everyone freaks out.

I don't even begin to care about the differences.

And I don't care if Obama lied or not...HELLO!...95+% of politicians lie EVERY DAY.

The people that are asking for Obama's head over Benghazi but NOT over Afghanistan have a serious confusion about right and wrong.

Both are wrong but the latter is FAR more of a crime to America then the former.


It seems Americans as a whole have become relatively numb to American soldier body counts.

But a diplomat and two others die - and America flips out.

They should flip out for BOTH.
 
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DA60 said:
Jeez...Obama (and Bush before him) send thousands of noble-minded Americans to their deaths for practically nothing in Iraq and Afghanistan and few bat an eye.

But three Americans die in an Embassy and everyone freaks out.

I don't even begin to care about the differences.

And I don't care if Obama lied or not...HELLO!...95+% of politicians lie EVERY DAY.

The people that are asking for Obama's head over Benghazi but NOT over Afghanistan have a serious confusion about right and wrong.

Both are wrong but the latter is FAR more of a crime to America then the former.


It seems Americans as a whole have become relatively numb to American soldier body counts.

But a diplomat and two others die - and America flips out.

They should flip out for BOTH.
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Which GOP Politician has asked for Obama's head? Which one has stepped up and used the "I" word? Try coming up with someone other than Bachmann. Which one is out in the Media saying they are going for Obama's head?

So are you saying accountability don't mean anything to you? That all is as it should be.....so lets forgetaboutit. Just keeping going along. Let people keep making blatant mistakes and then falsely report what takes place to the American people? Regardless that people died, while calling for help.

Seems to many have fallen for that lame excuse of Gotcha Politics.....its real simple. If playing politics and politicizing such.....then suffer the consequences of the game you play.
 
MMC said:
Which GOP Politician has asked for Obama's head? Which one has stepped up and used the "I" word? Try coming up with someone other than Bachmann. Which one is out in the Media saying they are going for Obama's head?

So are you saying accountability don't mean anything to you? That all is as it should be.....so lets forgetaboutit. Just keeping going along. Let people keep making blatant mistakes and then falsely report what takes place to the American people? Regardless that people died, while calling for help.

Seems to many have fallen for that lame excuse of Gotcha Politics.....its real simple. If playing politics and politicizing such.....then suffer the consequences of the game you play.
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Can you not read?

I said people should flip out about both.
 
DA60 said:
Can you not read?

I said people should flip out about both.
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Yes, you did but then you seem to excuse Obama because of a believed perception that something can bring him down from Benghazi. So I may have took it the wrong way. As I see it as both parties AND then Administration who is in control. As often they are at odds with their own Party and the opposite party.
 
MMC said:
How Ya like the those Pic of Stevens......see Hillary will have that wherever she goes. Then brought up in way.....where Good Ole Hillary will be told. Yes......YOU are responsible for Stevens Death.

To Watch her go into Melt-down mode.....will be something this country will enjoy for all of Eternity!

Do you think they have shown her the Pics I have already sent to her. To show her whats waiting for her to crawl out her bug hole.
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I get the sense that the deaths of those 4 Americans are worth it to you if it means their deaths can be used to defeat Hillary.
 
MMC said:
Yes, you did but then you seem to excuse Obama because of a believed perception that something can bring him down from Benghazi. So I may have took it the wrong way. As I see it as both parties AND then Administration who is in control. As often they are at odds with their own Party and the opposite party.
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No, I believe Americans are excusing POTUS's for getting thousands of Americans killed in the middle of nowhere for near-useless causes...without any accountability.

But then the masses freak out over the 3 deaths in Benghazi.

My point is both should be impeachable (whether the rules presently allow for that or not).

In my book, you can't just throw American lives away like that and just write it off as 'war'.

It's like America has gotten numb to large body counts and only pays attention to smaller, more selective ones.
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
I get the sense that the deaths of those 4 Americans are worth it to you if it means their deaths can be used to defeat Hillary.
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Yeah.....its her dept. Her people. Moreover due to her behavior and thinking she could chastise Congress for Questioning her.....and most of all, for using that Ridiculous Statement of What difference does it make.

She should have the common sense to know not step up into the limelight.

I figure if she could trivialize and mock the death of those that have fallen. Then they can be used to put her in her place!
 
MMC said:
Yeah.....its her dept. Her people. Moreover due to her behavior and thinking she could chastise Congress for Questioning her.....and most of all, for using that Ridiculous Statement of What difference does it make.

She should have the common sense to know not step up into the limelight.

I figure if she could trivialize and mock the death of those that have fallen. Then they can be used to put her in her place!
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No, I'm not denying she was the dead of the State Department so she is responsible if she neglected to take action which could have saved their lives ... I'm saying you seem almost giddy having those pictures at your disposal because you think they can be used to defeat her, should she choose to run.

Let me put it this way, if you could only pick one, which would you rather have ... those 4 Americans still alive (but Hillary as president)? Or Hillary defeated over their deaths?
 
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MMC said:
Yeah, I figured that you had some sort of limitation.....anyways. What did you thin Limbaugh was on that Station. :roll:

Sun Tzu Art of War.....Know thy Enemy!
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Looks Like you aint even close to snatching the pebble from my hand.....my Liberal friend!
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If you listen to "The Voice" and think that you are even getting a grain of truth....then you have already lost, my friend.
 
polgara said:
Good evening, disneydude.

There is no "feigned outrage" being discussed here!" I don't know what it might take for you to feel outrage, but our American Ambassador and Seals were murdered by thugs, because the help they pleaded for never arrived!!! :thumbdown:
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It absolutely is feigned outrage....created by FauxNews. Sure....the incident was tragic, but the who so called "controversy" is a right-wing created fantasy ala whitewater. Nothing but political gamesmanship. Wonder why the vast majority of the country isn't buying it? Why does Faux continue to try to sell this turkey....when it didn't fly the first 134 times?
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:

No, I'm not denying she was the dead of the State Department so she is responsible if she neglected to take action which could have saved their lives ... I'm saying you seem almost giddy having those pictures at your disposal because you think they can be used to defeat her, should she choose to run.

Let me put it this way, if you could only pick one, which would you rather have ... those 4 Americans still alive? Or Hillary defeated over their deaths?
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Well I can't change the way you perceive things.....all I can say is, I am not one to pull any punches. I also look at it.....that if she did the Right thing and just take that path out to pasture. Then there is no need to even worry about it. Then after all is brought out and those accountable, are held so. The whole matter can then be forgotten.

Myself.....I would rather have our People back alive and not have to worry about Clinton at all. Nor worry about her gaining even more power than she had here.
 
disneydude said:
If you listen to "The Voice" and think that you are even getting a grain of truth....then you have already lost, my friend.
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Did you mean Michael Medved and Dennis Prager? Cuz that's who I listen to. Course the Morning show is Amy Jacobson and John Howe and more Geared for Chicago Listeners. So I doubt that's who you are referring to.
 
MMC said:
Well I can't change the way you perceive things.....all I can say is, I am not one to pull any punches. I also look at it.....that if she did the Right thing and just take that path out to pasture. Then there is no need to even worry about it. Then after all is brought out and those accountable, are held so. The whole matter can then be forgotten.

Myself.....I would rather have our People back alive and not have to worry about Clinton at all. Nor worry about her gaining even more power than she had here.
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I am sure you would want both the 4 Americans alive AND not to worry about Clinton. I completely believe that. But what I'm asking is if you have to pick one or the other ... the 4 Americans still alive but Hillary as president ...... OR ...... Hillary defeated because of their deaths ...... which would you prefer?
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
I am sure you would want both the 4 Americans alive AND not to worry about Clinton. I completely believe that. But what I'm asking is if you have to pick one or the other ... the 4 Americans still alive but Hillary as president ...... OR ...... Hillary defeated because of their deaths ...... which would you prefer?
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So lets see you want a common sense question about life and death answered. As long as Hillary gets to be President. Well I would want our guys alive.

You can have Hillary as President......then I can fun and Humiliate a US president 365 days a year nonstop. Until she is driven mad and abdicates in sheer disgrace.

Hows that for your conditional question.


Now you.....would you rather have our Guys alive at the Cost of Hillary"s Political Career. Would rather have them alive or Hillary as President with more power.
 
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