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    Re: Huckabee: Benghazi will drive Obama from office

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    The DOD release does not solve the questions that you think it does, but rather describes the process. It also does not answer the question about where the order originated from, nor who stood down other options. This still reads as "Africom stood up a response and was then told to stop", and the claim that they couldn't have gotten there is is thoroughly dismantled by Bing West who is sort of kind of how to put this a fairly authoritative voice. A bunch of diplomats were able to make it there, a bunch of CIA guys were able to secure an airfield 90 minutes away in order to support operations, but SOF guys golly gee willickers well you know I hate flying at night and I have a headache and who knows if it would all be over by the time we got there.......


    Whoever originated the order deserves to be made an example of. If that person is wearing a uniform, then their name additionally needs to go down in history with the Army officers who refused to provide fire support in Afghanistan because the request was in the wrong format.
    I think your link is bad, it takes me to NRO. I am sorry when I read it, it tells me what happened, not what the process is

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    Re: Huckabee: Benghazi will drive Obama from office

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Is finding the low level paper pusher at the state department or defense department really going to prove anything different about the Benghazi story.

    It all sounds like a lynch mob mentality in pursuit of a victim to me.
    By definition a low level paper pusher at the state department is unlikely to have the authority to issue stand down orders to AFRICOM.

    Someone betrayed Americans on the ground and left them to die a horrible death. And someone then decided to lie about the nature of their death. It is possible that these are two different someones, it is possible they are the same someone, but both deserve to be discovered and expected to answer for their deeds.

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    Re: Huckabee: Benghazi will drive Obama from office

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    I think your link is bad, it takes me to NRO. I am sorry when I read it, it tells me what happened, not what the process is
    Precisely. It tells you what happened, specifically pointing out that the notion that no one could have made it in in time is ludicrous.

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    Re: Huckabee: Benghazi will drive Obama from office

    I don't think it will get Obama booted, and i kinda hope it doesn't. Because who's gonna take over? It'll just be the same thing again.

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    Re: Huckabee: Benghazi will drive Obama from office

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    Gosh, I dunno. How about... violate the law?

    Somehow that didn't make your list. I wonder why.
    Oh, I think if you look at my list, intimidating civil servants to keep them from speaking out in their telling of the truth, I think that is against the law. Requiring them to leave out or not talk... or withhold them, gag them, from telling the truth to our congressmen who come on scene, there to find out what actually happened for us, the "people"... think that is lawful? Demoting a civil servant who has spoken the truth forthrightly, you do not think that is against the law? Whistle blower protection laws ring a bell at all?



    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    It didn't for Bush, Clinton, Reagan, Carter Ford Nixon etc. Heck, by these standards Bush 43 should've been thrown out of office a dozen times over.
    Well with two of the ones you mention, Clinton got impeached at least and Nixon's was on the way, with the first article of impeachment passed in committee, he smartly stepped down. I will not defend Carter, he being in contention for the worst president with Obama, FDR and Wilson... but Reagan, Ford and GWB? It would require another debate thread really...but would be willing to take you on in each and every one of those cases. And you actually have to be in the proper position to get impeachment first, but the democrats did have the House for the last two years under Pelosi while GW was in office, I am sure if they had the "goods" on GW they would have made the attempt, its not like they are/were rational or anything.



    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    What are you, new?

    Politicians lie. So do citizens. Everyone lies, constantly, routinely, when it matters, when it doesn't.
    Politicians lie, sure, in campaigns and generally... but really not supposed to be using that vice when before a committee holding hearings or in a court of law... that is where "we" the public want, require, truth to be told, with penalty for not, so we can get to the truth when its most imortant. Our Government is only our elected and paid help, here to assist us in this enterprise we call governing, they serve at our convenience and behest, when "we" are asking for specific truths, we expect it told correctly... and if not there are consequences...why, are you new?

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    I don't mind politicians being taken to task for their mistakes or a lack of transparency. But there is nothing impeachable here.
    Fortunately you are not the one in charge of whether there is anything here impeachable or not... you seem to lack the requisite inquisitiveness of desire to ascertain if there is any reason or not... I am sure that little bungled burglary of the Watergate didn't sound like much at the beginning either, did it? And we have another Clinton committing perjury in the case of Clinton's impeachment ...for which he got disbarred...

    How about we sit back, let the process goes where it goes, find out if there is anything impeachable before making such pronouncements before you know truly of what you speak.

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    Re: Huckabee: Benghazi will drive Obama from office

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Huckabee: Benghazi will drive Obama from office - Mackenzie Weinger - POLITICO.com

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    Who's Huckabee?

    Why should anyone pay any attention to what he says?

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    Re: Huckabee: Benghazi will drive Obama from office

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The only thing that will drive Obama from office will be the end of his second term.
    I am pretty sure that is what his followers said about Nixon at the beginning of his second term as well. Only time and more truth will tell, we sure haven't gotten much of the latter from the Obama Administration yet. Wonder why.

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    Re: Huckabee: Benghazi will drive Obama from office

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    There never was an order to stand down.

    And then this that you self quoted," DOD officials provided a full accounting of military actions, “before, during and after” the attack. “The fact remains -- as we have repeatedly indicated -- that United States forces could not have arrived in time to mount a rescue of those Americans killed or injured that night,” Little said."

    How did Little and/or others know exactly how long the attacks were to go on? Could they have not lasted for days? Did al Qaeda provide them with an itinerary beforehand with all the times listed, did they? This is pure silliness, Little obviously knows very little.

    Have any answer as to why the White House and State would make up the false video story while you are at it? Or why they gagged the folks at the scene from telling us the real story?

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    Re: Huckabee: Benghazi will drive Obama from office

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Oh, I think if you look at my list, intimidating civil servants to keep them from speaking out in their telling of the truth, I think that is against the law.
    So you're saying what, that Obama personally ordered a couple of State staffers to keep quiet? Please.


    Reagan, Ford and GWB? It would require another debate thread really...but would be willing to take you on in each and every one of those cases.
    You'd lose.

    Ford pardoned Nixon, and was generally ineffective. Reagan -- Iran-Contra. Bush 43, rampant incompetence (FEMA, Energy Dept scandal, total failure to prepare for aftermath in Iraq and Afghanistan, disbanding Iraqi army); shredded civil rights (warrantless wiretapping, indefinite detention without due process, torturing suspects, illegal rendition, etc); manipulation of intelligence data and willful refusal to accept weapons inspectors. And unlike Obama, Bush's lies and manipulations sent the US to war with Iraq. Now that is what I call a significant consequence.

    If I actually had to dig in and list all the times Presidents have lied or failed to predict something that was "obvious" (with the magic power of hindsight, that is), with policy consequences, I'd be here all day.


    Politicians lie, sure, in campaigns and generally... but really not supposed to be using that vice when before a committee holding hearings or in a court of law...
    Yes, that's perjury. Obama certainly hasn't perjured himself, and there is no real indication Clinton did either. I.e. no real grounds for impeachment -- except in the fevered dreams of a few partisan hacks, who cannot tolerate the very idea that non-Republicans get voted into office.


    Fortunately you are not the one in charge of whether there is anything here impeachable or not...
    Fortunately, there is zero indication that there will be any impeachment proceedings as a result of any of this.


    I am sure that little bungled burglary of the Watergate didn't sound like much at the beginning either, did it?
    Please.

    Nixon ordered his men to subvert the electoral process, the very basis of the legitimacy of our government. At the absolute worst, the Obama administration flubbed the public response to an attack on *cough* a CIA operation, with a few diplomats on site. You did know that 23 out of the 30 people at the Benghazi offices were CIA agents posing as diplomats, and that numerous secret operations were run out of "The Annex" ? Right? Right.

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    Re: Huckabee: Benghazi will drive Obama from office

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Only time and more truth will tell, we sure haven't gotten much of the latter from the Obama Administration yet. Wonder why.
    When was the last time any administration was truthful with us?
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