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    Re: Huckabee: Benghazi will drive Obama from office

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    It was. I haven't seen anything to support your claim that Clinton sent al-Magariaf a cable on 9/12, categorically stating "it was terrorists."



    The US had almost no involvement. Nor would Libyans take it well if a bunch of Europeans showed up and tried to organize their country well. The "end game" is to let Libyans determine their own fate, and supply support if they ask for it.

    And really, this claim is just an attempt to co-opt the massive failure by Bush to properly handle the regime changes in Iraq and Afghanistan.



    No, it isn't. The focus is almost entirely on the Blame Game and the alleged cover-up, not detailed methods to figure out how to protect diplomatic missions without turning them into miniature fortresses.

    The reality is that there will always be a balancing act between security and openness for such establishments. As the GAO reminds us, as long as we have any government presence in a volatile region, there's always the possibility they could be attacked. Nor is it beneficial to turn them into miniature fortresses -- unless you think nothing says "diplomacy" better than high concrete walls topped with concertina wire, tire spike strips, a couple of machine gun nests and a tank (for good measure).

    Even if we could, there are plenty of other non-governmental "soft targets" in highly volatile regions. If they hadn't gone after a diplomatic mission, they would have gone after an oil field or a hotel that caters to foreign journalists.

    This is not about safety. It's about elections.
    ◾Libya President Mohamed Magariaf insisted on Sept. 16 — five days after the attack — that it was a planned terrorist attack, but administration officials continued for days later to say there was no evidence of a planned attack.
    ◾Magariaf also said the idea that the attack was a “spontaneous protest that just spun out of control is completely unfounded and preposterous.” This, too, was on Sept. 16. Yet, Obama and others continued to describe the incident in exactly those terms — including during the president’s Sept. 18 appearance on the “Late Show With David Letterman.”

    Sept. 13: Clinton meets with Ali Suleiman Aujali — the Libyan ambassador to the U.S. — at a State Department event to mark the end of Ramadan. Ambassador Aujali apologizes to Clinton for what he called “this terrorist attack which took place against the American consulate in Libya.” Clinton, in her remarks, does not refer to it as a terrorist attack. She condemns the anti-Muslim video, but adds that there is “never any justification for violent acts of this kind.”......snip~

    FactCheck.org : Benghazi Timeline

    (3) Secretaries Clinton and Rice (the president's hand-selected messenger on Benghazi to the American people) repeatedly stated that the attack arose from "spontaneous protests" over an obscure YouTube video. This was never true. Hicks called the YouTube a "non-event" in Libya. He and others on the ground -- including Amb. Stevens -- recognized the raid as a coordinated terrorist attack from the very beginning. Hicks testified that he personally told Sec. Clinton as much at 2 am on the night of the attack, along with her senior staff. [UPDATE - Rep. Trey Gowdy also revealed an email sent on 9/12 in which Assistant Sec. Jones confirmed to a Libyan official that the attack had been carried out by terrorist organization Ansar al-Sharia]. Days later, Rice recited bogus talking points on five American television networks, and Clinton denounced the video while standing next to the flag-draped coffins of the fallen. Hicks said there he never mentioned any "spontaneous demonstrations" related to a video in his phone call with Clinton:....snip~

    The Damning Dozen: Twelve Revelations from the Benghazi Hearings - Guy Benson

    That's another point. They went after the Brits Ambassador. The Italians. The Red Cross Offices. Conducted assassinations of local leaders or police chiefs. Hit The Consulate twice before......then as you say just recently hit the Oil refinery in Algeria. With us losing American lives there.

    I would look into the Fact checkers Timelines a bit more closely.....since most complain about each other's new sources.

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    Re: Huckabee: Benghazi will drive Obama from office

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Oh, that one, well, I was sitting in a noisy Starbucks drinking my cafe latte with my iPad mini and I couldn't hear the sound very well. Now would you please watch the first video clip in the following Media Matters post? I think it will serve t clear some things up.
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    The player wouldn't load at the MM site ... or I may have read the message wrong and it really said the MM site is a load ... but in any event it has been alleged that only a POTUS could have ordered the military to issue a stand-down order under those circumstances. If you have something authoritative that says different we can wait ... for a little while.

    In the meantime there's this ... Stand-Down Order In Benghazi Consulate Terrorist Attack A Mystery - Investors.com
    and this ... Issues On Call: POTUS Had to Give the "STAND DOWN" ORDER In Benghazi. Messages Watched 24/7/365. No Way Obama Didn't Know.

    ... from last October that appear to be on point.

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    Re: Huckabee: Benghazi will drive Obama from office

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    The player wouldn't load at the MM site ... or I may have read the message wrong and it really said the MM site is a load ... but in any event it has been alleged that only a POTUS could have ordered the military to issue a stand-down order under those circumstances. If you have something authoritative that says different we can wait ... for a little while.

    In the meantime there's this ... Stand-Down Order In Benghazi Consulate Terrorist Attack A Mystery - Investors.com
    and this ... Issues On Call: POTUS Had to Give the "STAND DOWN" ORDER In Benghazi. Messages Watched 24/7/365. No Way Obama Didn't Know.

    ... from last October that appear to be on point.
    In the video Hicks says the order for the four military people not to board the plane came from Special Operations Africa.

    Edit: Nobody uttered the words "stand-down order" at the proceedings yesterday.
    Last edited by pbrauer; 05-09-13 at 09:24 PM.

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    Re: Huckabee: Benghazi will drive Obama from office

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    In the video Hicks says the order for the four military people not to board the plane came from Special Operations Africa.

    Edit: Nobody uttered the words "stand-down order" at the proceedings yesterday.
    Wait ... are you differentiating between "stand down order" and "ordered to stand down"?

    And the order coming from Africa could simply mean that's who relayed the order. I'm sure that hasn't escaped you.

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    Re: Huckabee: Benghazi will drive Obama from office

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    wait ... Are you differentiating between "stand down order" and "ordered to stand down"?

    and the order coming from africa could simply mean that's who relayed the order. i'm sure that hasn't escaped you.
    BS...

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    Re: Huckabee: Benghazi will drive Obama from office

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    BS...
    Then I guess it has escaped you because of your irrational defense of Barack Obama.

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    Re: Huckabee: Benghazi will drive Obama from office

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    Then I guess it has escaped you because of your irrational defense of Barack Obama.
    What has escaped me? For what rational reason would President Obama issue a stand down order?

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    Re: Huckabee: Benghazi will drive Obama from office

    Unless a case is successfully made that te potus acted in a way that is criminal (not a figure of speech but violated federal law) as much as his opposition want Joe Biden to be President instead, I cannot see how the democrat controlled senate is going to vote to impeach a democrat President. Does anybody really think that's going to happen, seriously?
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    Re: Huckabee: Benghazi will drive Obama from office

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    What has escaped me? For what rational reason would President Obama issue a stand down order?
    The personnel were from SOCAF, the special operations element of AFRICOM. Therefore, that's where the order to stand down would have come from. That is not to say whether there might or might not have been other discussions between AFRICOM and Washington. AFRICOM would certainly have been in touch with Washington, but we don't know whether those four people were mentioned.
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    Re: Huckabee: Benghazi will drive Obama from office

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaugingcatenate View Post
    Just wondering, what is it that Obama or Hillary would have to do for you to actually believe they should be impeached?
    Gosh, I dunno. How about... violate the law?

    Somehow that didn't make your list. I wonder why.


    So negligence before the fact doesn't do it, deaths doesn't do it, incompetence doesn't do it...
    It didn't for Bush, Clinton, Reagan, Carter Ford Nixon etc. Heck, by these standards Bush 43 should've been thrown out of office a dozen times over.


    lying doesnt do it
    What are you, new?

    Politicians lie. So do citizens. Everyone lies, constantly, routinely, when it matters, when it doesn't.

    I don't mind politicians being taken to task for their mistakes or a lack of transparency. But there is nothing impeachable here.

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