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morality

What is morality/

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WCH said:
Like the Boston bombers? Or people who kill children out of convenience?

Or people who think the 10 commandments are too restrictive?

I have to disagree.
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One cannot use sociopaths to support a sociological argument.
 
Kal'Stang said:
She may not, I may not, you may not. But those that perform honor killings believe it is. That is her whole point. Morality is subjective and highly dependent on how you were brought up.
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Do you believe that each person can have their own morals? If a rapist feels that rape is moral, and the victim feels that it's immoral, can they both be right?
 
WCH said:
Sure we can but, probably not in this thread.

Sociological Theories To Explain Deviance
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Look, dude, you can't enter a sociological debate and expect others to accommodate sociopaths. Sociopaths have no empathy and you want to discuss their place in a moral debate? A sociopath is a monkey wrench in any moral, justice or other sociological system. You're trying to use crazy people to argue regarding a moral compass.

In sum, attempting to incorporate the unincorporatable is nonsense.
 
Kal'Stang said:
She may not, I may not, you may not. But those that perform honor killings believe it is. That is her whole point. Morality is subjective and highly dependent on how you were brought up.
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Well, that may be true with some things, but there have to be some universal bounds of reason right?
 
The OT teaches form of morality that most would find abominable if applied to modern society.
 
mpg said:
Does it exist? If so, what is it?
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my understanding of it, though i'm far from perfect:

morality is the acceptance of a few key concepts.

1. we all benefit from a stable society, and we all have a role in contributing to the stability of society. stable society is the giant on whose shoulders we all stand. agriculture, medicine, and pretty much every technological innovation would not have happened without civilization.

2. other people's wants and needs sometimes supersede our own.

3. it's a net positive to be good to others even when doing so earns you no personal benefit.
 
ecofarm said:
Look, dude, you can't enter a sociological debate and expect others to accommodate sociopaths. Sociopaths have no empathy and you want to discuss their place in a moral debate? A sociopath is a monkey wrench in any moral, justice or other sociological system. You're trying to use crazy people to argue regarding a moral compass.

In sum, attempting to incorporate the unincorporatable is nonsense.
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I was simply arguing your point that people know right from wrong when clearly they do not in many cases.

Sorry if that's too broad.:)
 
Amadeus said:
The OT teaches form of morality that most would find abominable if applied to modern society.
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Mostly on the punishment side.

That's before we were all suppose to love each other and forgive.
 
WCH said:
I was simply arguing your point that people know right from wrong when clearly they do not in many cases.

Sorry if that's too broad.:)
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That's way too broad. 1/1m sociopaths does not constitute "many cases" without an intellectually dishonest change of context.
 
ecofarm said:
That's way too broad. 1/1m sociopaths does not constitute "many cases" without an intellectually dishonest change of context.
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We can't do that? Damn. You realize your changing the entire - oh, never mind.
 
humbolt said:
We can't do that? Damn. You realize your changing the entire - oh, never mind.
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Ok, he's right. We should develop a social/justice system capable of satisfying sociopaths. :rolleyes

Unless one's proposal for a moral system, and its derivation, satisfy the participation of sociopaths, then the idea doesn't count.
 
I went with law of nature. I think it is our biology that gives us a meaning for right and wrong. We don't like pain, fear, or loneliness, so right are things that reduce those feelings and wrong are things that increase them. Cooperation is right because it helps us be happy, healthy, and safe. Morality is very much based on physical, corporeal sensations.
 
ecofarm said:
Ok, he's right. We should develop a social/justice system capable of satisfying sociopaths. :rolleyes

Unless one's proposal for a moral system, and its derivation, satisfy the participation of sociopaths, then the idea doesn't count.
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See? There you go. If we don't accomodate the sociopaths, they'll kill us all. How this finds it's way into a "moral" system is beyond me.
 
ecofarm said:
That's way too broad. 1/1m sociopaths does not constitute "many cases" without an intellectually dishonest change of context.
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Well if we're not including abortionists/abortionees and people who think the 10 commandments are too restrictive, then fine.:cool:

Sounds like we'll have very little to discuss in the way of morality.
 
You may not be able to define it, but morality is what separates man from lesser beings. Without morality, society as we know it would not exist.
 
5.

Honor your father and mother. Then you will live a long, full life in the land the Lord your God is giving you.

6.

You must not murder.

7.

You must not commit adultery.

8.

You must not steal.

9.

You must not testify falsely against your neighbor.

10.

You must not covet your neighbor’s house. You must not covet your neighbor’s wife, male or female servant, ox or donkey, or anything else that belongs to your neighbor.
 
I guess I should've put this in the OP, because this is the topic that I wanted the thread to be about.

I see morality as the laws of nature. I don't believe in God. I don't believe that two people or two cultures can have different moral codes and both be right. That seems to go against the definition of morality. When I believe that something is wrong, I don't just think that it's wrong for me. Lastly, in my heart of hearts, I don't believe that it's a false concept.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Depends on how you look at it. There are many gods in human story telling, but is it possible that only one God showed himself to humans as something that would understand better in order to teach them better?
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Which God is that?
 
mpg said:
Do you believe that each person can have their own morals? If a rapist feels that rape is moral, and the victim feels that it's immoral, can they both be right?
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Of course each person can have their own morals and yes they can both be right. They can also both be wrong. It just depends on their point of view. Its one of the reasons that I normally hate taking morality stances in discussions I participate it.
 
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