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  • the laws of a particular society

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  • the laws of nature

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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Ok, he's right. We should develop a social/justice system capable of satisfying sociopaths. :rolleyes

    Unless one's proposal for a moral system, and its derivation, satisfy the participation of sociopaths, then the idea doesn't count.
    Consider a nation run by a sociopath and see what can happen. Has this ever occurred? Did it not in the past century? it is not so much the eye roll as things do happen and have. Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it. Think of the morals based on religious beliefs in some nations. Think of the effect of this decisions and tell me they are moral in your mind and then tell me they think what you believe is moral. Neither side will agree with the other yet both sides believe they are doing their god's will.
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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    They can both be right in there own sense of things. The morality of the land will be the ultimate decision maker.
    Do you believe morals are some part of the collective? If so, why? If not, why do you think their decisions matter on morality itself? If you ask me, to the most part these decisions you talk of are almost entirely selfish in nature and while the trend is desirable the everyday affairs are not.

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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by Cilogy View Post
    So by that standard, in mpg's example, you're suggesting if a rapist says their act was moral then society should say "oh well, it's part of their morals, I guess it's okay then".

    I'm no moral absolutist, but this is what I was trying to imply about bounds of reason. We can't say a rape victim is right and the rapist is right and then call it a day, this isn't CNN.
    Th rule of the society would make the ruling on what that said society believes ids the good of the many and not that one. We each may have our own specific morality and society has another. Societies wins.
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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    That's kill. Impossible? Of course, the Law is damnation and cannot save. Still, we should do our best; just like with every other commandment. This idea that it is 'murder' and not 'kill' comes from some kind of delusion that the goal is attainable. It's not attainable, it represents God in the premonition of His Son.
    Your premiss for morals would require everyone to be live as you do. If there is a variation in what people believe it makes it impossible to use your guide as the standard unless you want to impose by force your will on others. This in fact would be immoral in any rule book.
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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    If morals are determined by the individual, how is it possible for them to be wrong?
    They can be wrong in the law which overrides any individual moral codes.
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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by captainawesome View Post
    So George Washington was evil as he owned other humans and morality isn't relative.
    Calling a particular act immoral, isn't the same thing as calling a person evil.

    IMHO, morality never changes. If slavery is immoral now, it was immoral back then too.
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    In their eyes they are not wrong. Its as simple as that. It is society as a whole that determines what morals are right and wrong. Not individuals.
    Society does not exist on morals it exists on laws.
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    A lifetime of observation has taught me to stop avoiding a blatantly obvious truth: There is something gravely wrong with people here.................

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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    So if honor killings are considered moral within a particular society, then they ARE moral within that society?
    They are legal in that country moral anywhere is fluidity and subject to individual interpretation. Morals are thoughts and not real in any way shape or for. They are a mental construct and if they were real you could hand me a cup full of morals and you can't do this. Morals do not guide a nation, society or culture laws govern it. Morals may be a mental compass. But they are only reasonable thoughts which many would agree with. But morals as a reality beyond thought do not exist. If you disagree send me a full cup of morals. You can't do this. So i have already proved they are nothing beyond thoughts.
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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by captainawesome View Post
    So George Washington was evil as he owned other humans and morality isn't relative.
    Slavery was immoral, and Washington understood it. (He emancipated all his slaves, via his will, posthumously). And of course people of some periods or in some places being blind to breaches of morality does not mean that morality itself is relative or situational.


    But slavery is not a very good example because we run here into the problem of competence.

    Nobody would claim that little children or people with severe mental disability should be given that precious freedom of choice. In this respect, we do have an element of "relativism" and reliance on consensus: the age of consent and definitions of mental health vary, and are based exactly on consensus, for the lack of any objective measures.

    Black people were viewed a "savages" lacking the capacity to function as "consenting adults". The value of freedom was not in doubt - its applicability to this particular group was denied. The end of slavery was not a conceptual moral revolution but admission that the same very moral code does, indeed, apply to blacks.

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