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  • the laws of a particular society

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  • the laws of nature

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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    *sigh* You have just made a positive assertion. Prove it.
    Right after you back up your claim that there are. We'll wait.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Right after you back up your claim that there are. We'll wait.
    Where have I said in this thread that there is a God? Oh wait, I didn't. Since you made a positive assertion first you get to go first. But of course you'll just evade...again.
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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    Well if we're not including abortionists/abortionees and people who think the 10 commandments are too restrictive, then fine.

    Sounds like we'll have very little to discuss in the way of morality.
    There's a subforum for abortion debate.

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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    You must not murder.
    That's kill. Impossible? Of course, the Law is damnation and cannot save. Still, we should do our best; just like with every other commandment. This idea that it is 'murder' and not 'kill' comes from some kind of delusion that the goal is attainable. It's not attainable, it represents God in the premonition of His Son.

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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Of course each person can have their own morals and yes they can both be right. They can also both be wrong. It just depends on their point of view. Its one of the reasons that I normally hate taking morality stances in discussions I participate it.
    If morals are determined by the individual, how is it possible for them to be wrong?
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    If morals are determined by the individual, how is it possible for them to be wrong?
    In their eyes they are not wrong. Its as simple as that. It is society as a whole that determines what morals are right and wrong. Not individuals.
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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    In their eyes they are not wrong. Its as simple as that. It is society as a whole that determines what morals are right and wrong. Not individuals.
    So if honor killings are considered moral within a particular society, then they ARE moral within that society?
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    So if honor killings are considered moral within a particular society, then they ARE moral within that society?
    With in that society, yes. Other societies may of course consider it immoral. A society is much like an individual in that way. Gives a slightly new perspective on the whole "sheeple" comment eh? lol
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    Re: morality

    "Other".

    It does exist, and it is both a "product of nature" and of "society". Our nature as human beings possessing volition, cognition and empathy both enables and necessitates development of moral systems. The objective core of morality is fairly uniform throughout millennia and around the world: The Golden Rule was known, in roughly the same form, to the ancient Chinese, Hindus, Jews and Greeks...

    Society is required for morality to manifest itself, of course: after all, you cannot do anything moral or immoral if you are alone, on an uninhabited island.

    But every given society, also introduces its restrictions, distortions and meta-moral taboos or imperatives - creating the illusion of morality being something transient, situational, based on authority or consensus. An illusion absolutely precious to those driven by lust for power and lacking in the moral department.

    Sample: "Freedom is a bourgeois prejudice. We repudiate all morality which proceeds from ideas which are outside the class conception. In our opinion, morality is entirely subordinate to the interests of the class war. Everything is moral which is necessary for the annihilation of the old order and for uniting the proletariat. Our morality consists solely in close discipline and conscious warfare against the exploiters." V.I.Lenin.

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    Re: morality

    Some morality is embodied in laws but others are not. It's illegal to park without putting money in the meter but it's not immoral. Many people see pre-marital sex as immoral but it's not illegal.
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