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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    Empathy is the foundation for morality. And morality is not necessarily a set of rules, but rather a set of principles, the rules are extensions of these principles which are an extension of our empathy.
    I think we can agree that empathy is the foundation in the sense that it motivates us to be moral. Why bother at all? Because we don't want to hurt others. (But there are also other motivations: self-preservation, the desire to make the future society safe for our descendants and cultural legacy, even just the aesthetic sense of harmony).

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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    I think we can agree that empathy is the foundation in the sense that it motivates us to be moral. Why bother at all? Because we don't want to hurt others. (But there are also other motivations: self-preservation, the desire to make the future society safe for our descendants and cultural legacy, even just the aesthetic sense of harmony).
    I did not claim otherwise. I essentially stated in the post you responded to you that it was a necessary component of our survival and proliferation as a social animal - which is why I stated that it is a product of both our evolutionary and social heritage.

    As our "tribes" and our societies got larger and larger, morality has been expanded above and beyond the core mechanisms driving it, but the underlying theme remains the same, cohesion, stability, and success as social animals (who was it that used the term "suffering" that also fits here). Now granted not all of these "extended" morals actually manage to accomplish this though.
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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    Does it exist? If so, what is it?
    Yes it is exists. Morals are basically what people consider right and wrong.Most laws are based on morals that we as a society agreed should be law.
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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    This sentence is meaningless.
    Presumably because you don't like it?
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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by zgoldsmith23 View Post
    Presumably because you don't like it?
    Nope: because it is nonsensical. The notion of freedom unshared, freedom given to one individual but not another makes no sense. Liberty is not something you can have all to yourself. We could as well say that the Soviet Russia in 1937 was a free country, because the freedom of choice on whatever occasion was pretty much unimpeded - for Comrade Stalin.

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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    Nope: because it is nonsensical. The notion of freedom unshared, freedom given to one individual but not another makes no sense. Liberty is not something you can have all to yourself. We could as well say that the Soviet Russia in 1937 was a free country, because the freedom of choice on whatever occasion was pretty much unimpeded - for Comrade Stalin.
    You can pretty much say the same thing about white males when Constitution was written, too.
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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    You can pretty much say the same thing about white males when Constitution was written, too.
    Yep. Which is why emancipation and suffrage were two most important liberal (libertarian) projects of the 19th century.

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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    Yep. Which is why emancipation and suffrage were two most important liberal (libertarian) projects of the 19th century.
    19th century? You'd better check the date on the 19th Amendment again - it hasn't even been 100 years, yet.


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    Re: morality

    Let's see --

    choice A indicates one is a nihilist.

    Choice B indicates one is a relativist

    Choice C indicates one is arbitrary and dogmatic

    Choice D indicates one does not have a clue what the word even means.

    I think I will go with Choice E -- Morality is a product of reason, applied in such a way as to extend the same consideration towards others that one would wish for themself, and based upon certain precepts that govern human interaction. It is neither the arbitrary mores of a specific society nor falling within the domain of religion, but someting more complex.

    I see it as the product of self-awareness extrapolated in such a way as to abandon one's own self interest long enough to see the needs of others.
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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    19th century? You'd better check the date on the 19th Amendment again ...
    Before bringing its fruits, a project has to be started and has to gain momentum. J.S.Mill wrote The Subjection of Women in 1869 - the same year the Territory of Wyoming became the first polity in the world to grant women their right to vote. (Of course Condorcet advocated it some hundred years earlier)

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