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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    We kind of are.

    A few years ago, I was visiting my friends in Tallinn. A bunch of loud Russians barge into the café, swearing in their native tongue. The waitress goes: "Hey, you, speak English! This is Estonia!"
    Not really, no. Nice try.
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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    When it comes to core values, neither side should be asking the other for proof.
    Then you admit that, like any other belief, this is all subjective. That's what I've been saying all along.
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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Then you admit that, like any other belief, this is all subjective. That's what I've been saying all along.
    I have a subjective belief in objective morality. I've been saying that all along.
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    I have a subjective belief in objective morality. I've been saying that all along.
    Well, you've been showing the subjectivity all along, anyway.
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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Well, you've been showing the subjectivity all along, anyway.
    I never tried to prove I was right. That would be silly.
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    This thread is growing long in tooth, but if you browse back a little, you will see details of my position on this.

    In a nutshell: There should be a moral code, and a very demanding one, based on freedom of choice as the central value.

    It's not a question of government "making" people moral or immoral: government is there to enforce and inspect, not to preach or teach.

    Liberalism (libertarianism) becomes an empty shell without its moral imperatives. Sure, one may prefer to emphasize the pragmatic side of libertarian thought: the "diversification of risk", the realization that no government, corporation or individual can have all information necessary for successful manipulation of systems as complex as human society or economy. But even then, you have a moral aspect to it: the pretended knowledge of central planners and social engineers is, basically, fraud. Combatting coercion and fraud is the essence of libertarianism.
    you and i agree ,but you just express it differently than i do.

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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by zgoldsmith23 View Post
    My freedom of choice could be rejecting your freedom of choice and vice versa.
    This sentence is meaningless.

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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    In a word - at its basal form - it is empathy.
    Empathy is not morality. Morality is a set of rules. Empathy is a feeling. "Brain and heart"
    (Both are necessary, and should keep each other in check)

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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    you and i agree ,but you just express it differently than i do.
    Yes, I believe that is the case.

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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    Empathy is not morality. Morality is a set of rules. Empathy is a feeling. "Brain and heart"
    (Both are necessary, and should keep each other in check)
    Empathy is the foundation for morality. And morality is not necessarily a set of rules, but rather a set of principles, the rules are extensions of these principles which are an extension of our empathy.


    And I am talking only about our core morality here, the foundation morality is built upon. Man, society and organizations have extended and codified extended versions of "morality" based on subjective interpretations of right and wrong - in some cases this can be and is a bastardization of the concept.
    Last edited by marduc; 05-09-13 at 05:50 AM.
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