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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    Not for "the good of all" - out of compassion, out of empathy. Yes, of course, we are not going to let children die of hunger, even if it means stealing food from those unwilling to share. Doesn't make theft any more moral.

    Empathy has to override morality sometimes. But it cannot replace it. Empathy is a feeling. Morality is a set of rules. See the difference?
    Empathy has NOTHING to do with my example - nor does "getting robbed" You're so fixated with anti-communism (in the true sense of that word) that you failed to actually read and consider what I wrote.

    Let me spell it out for you. Just because you want five bushels of apples you can only have one, because that's your ration. That leaves four other rations for the apple pickers, the truck drivers, and the store clerks - otherwise, no one gets their apples next month. Rationing, when invoked, IS "for the good of the whole", including you.
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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    "Objective" doesn't mean "self-evident". The Earth is objectively orbiting the Sun.

    And yes - as long as you are a human being - and not a machine or an instinct-driven animal - your acceptance is required, at every step, at every turn, in every sense.
    Then I'll rephrase it for you. Objective means it can be demonstrated as fact, no belief or acceptance required. If it is not a fact, then it is not objective.


    And again you exclude "instinct-driven animal" which is pretty much what we are. I thought I made my thoughts clear on that already.
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    Re: morality

    It's fascinating to me that the pseudo-individualists of the libertarian Right feel the weak-willed need to universalize their value set: as if free men weren't free to choose their own.
    I dip my forefinger in the watery blood of your impotent mad-redeemer (your Divine Democrat — your Hebrew Madman) and write over his thorn-torn brow, “The true prince of Evil — the king of the Slaves!”
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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    And again you exclude "instinct-driven animal" which is pretty much what we are. I thought I made my thoughts clear on that already.
    Wait a sec - - - you are not kidding? You are really serious?

    Like, my "fixation with anti-communism" (thank you, by the way) is actually an instinctual program?

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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by Einzige View Post
    as if free men weren't free to choose their own.
    To stay free, the "strong-willed" have to protect freedom of the "weak". Choose your own value set, by all means - but keep it off my lawn.

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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    To stay free, the "strong-willed" have to protect freedom of the "weak". Choose your own value set, by all means - but keep it off my lawn.
    Ah, I see. The mantra of the right-libertarian rings again: freedom - as long as it's acted out in a way I'm comfortable with.

    We are free because there is no morality. The existence of any morality would deny us our freedom, including a morality which proposes the highest moral good is the freedom to choose.
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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by Einzige View Post
    We are free because there is no morality.
    Nonsense. If there's no morality, nobody is free: If there's no morality, there's nothing wrong with any kind of oppression.

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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    Wait a sec - - - you are not kidding? You are really serious?

    Like, my "fixation with anti-communism" (thank you, by the way) is actually an instinctual program?
    You think animals don't change their behavior based on their environment?!?
    If you own a dog you ought to know better than that!


    BTW - Any kind of fixation blinds you and you've given a good demonstration.
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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    Nonsense. If there's no morality, nobody is free: If there's no morality, there's nothing wrong with any kind of oppression.
    Bilge. If there's a morality, we must, on some level, "render unto Caesar". If there's no morality, resistance is not limited to the impotent passive argumentation of a Ghandi.

    The NAP is so shot full of holes that there's an NRA emblem in its center.
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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    To stay free, the "strong-willed" have to protect freedom of the "weak". Choose your own value set, by all means - but keep it off my lawn.
    And yet many "values" of Libertarianism would throw the weak under the bus in the name of individual freedom. LOL!



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    Einzige - I never mean Libertarian left when I use the term.
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