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  • the laws of a particular society

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    Re: morality

    I don't agree that society sets morality. Would americans in the 20's and 30's have thought they were damned if they drank? Did Galileo think he was damned for disagreeing that the earth was the center of the universe?

    Nations attempt to set acceptable ideology through legislation.

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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    Freedom of choice is not subjective at all. It is an observable reality of human condition, along with such features as memory, instinctual urges or ability for abstract thinking. Morality centered on freedom of choice is not subjective either.
    Freedom of choice according to whom? If the state or law says you can't choose to have whatever you want, then your freedom is based on subjective limitations. Your definitions aren't holding water.
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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by zgoldsmith23 View Post
    They don't objectively have the ability to make choices.
    Sure they do.

    You could make other choices than writing this sentence. Write something else, write nothing, add an exclamation sigh at the end, etc, etc...

    You were not driven by any automatic response program or animal instinct, and your action was way too specific and meaningful to be randomly generated.

    You have made a choice, and have demonstrated (in a millionth time) that your ability to make choices does demonstrably, objectively exist. It will not stop existing if you choose to deny this fact.

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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    Sure they do.

    You could make other choices than writing this sentence. Write something else, write nothing, add an exclamation sigh at the end, etc, etc...

    You were not driven by any automatic response program or animal instinct, and your action was way too specific and meaningful to be randomly generated.

    You have made a choice, and have demonstrated (in a millionth time) that your ability to make choices does demonstrably, objectively exist. It will not stop existing if you choose to deny this fact.
    Me being able to ≠ all humans have the ability. Although, subjectivity does work the other way. What about those people in a coma? Those with alien hand or anarchic hand syndrome? They don't have choices.

    Also, how do you know it was not animal instinct? There are evolutionary advantages to arguing to establish dominance.
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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Freedom of choice according to whom? If the state or law says you can't choose to have whatever you want, then your freedom is based on subjective limitations. Your definitions aren't holding water.
    Not to "whom", to "what" - to the nature of the phenomenon.

    If the law is not immoral, the limitations will be dictated but that very nature: you cannot have whatever you want, only whatever you want that does not deny freedom of choice to other people.

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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    Not to "whom", to "what" - to the nature of the phenomenon.

    If the law is not immoral, the limitations will be dictated but that very nature: you cannot have whatever you want, only whatever you want that does not deny freedom of choice to other people.
    Therefore freedom of choice is subjective in nature.
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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by zgoldsmith23 View Post
    Me being able to ≠ all humans have the ability.
    Curiouser and curiosier. You are seriously entertaining the idea that your obviously present volition is unique to yourself and perhaps a small elite of people like yourself? A superior race?

    Quote Originally Posted by zgoldsmith23 View Post
    What about those people in a coma? Those with alien hand or anarchic hand syndrome? They don't have choices.
    Geez. Are you going to say next that people who lost their legs show that being bipeds capable of walking is not an objective and universal human characteristic?

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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Therefore freedom of choice is subjective in nature.
    Quite the opposite. It is the objective constant - in contrast with the particular choices and preferences of all the people exercising their freedom of choice. Morality is neutral on whether you choose apples or oranges; apples are "better" for some people, oranges for others - tastes, preferences, desires are subjective; moral laws step in when someone is being coerced into picking apples he doesn't want or denied the right to buy oranges.
    There's nothing subjective about the act of coercion - or about the moral law guarding against it.

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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    Quite the opposite. It is the objective constant - in contrast with the particular choices and preferences of all the people exercising their freedom of choice. Morality is neutral on whether you choose apples or oranges; apples are "better" for some people, oranges for others - tastes, preferences, desires are subjective; moral laws step in when someone is being coerced into picking apples he doesn't want or denied the right to buy oranges.
    There's nothing subjective about the act of coercion - or about the moral law guarding against it.
    Would you say coercion or being denied a right is unfair?
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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    Curiouser and curiosier. You are seriously entertaining the idea that your obviously present volition is unique to yourself and perhaps a small elite of people like yourself? A superior race?
    Not sure how you got that from that; it almost sounds like an underhanded "Godwin." I'm just saying what applies to me may (or may not) apply to all humans. I have blue eyes, it's foolish to ascribe that characteristic to all humans, though.

    Geez. Are you going to say next that people who lost their legs show that being bipeds capable of walking is not an objective and universal human characteristic?
    Physical and mental distinctions, Cyrylek.
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