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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Cain killed Abel out of envy, not lack of opportunity.
    And for how many people "fairness" and "envy" are one and the same?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    there can be no freedom, unless there are laws protecting peoples rights.
    Absolutely. But laws based on the (inherently subjective) "fairness" will not protect people's rights - they will enable envy, vengeance, lust for power and other such nice things.
    Last edited by Cyrylek; 05-05-13 at 06:58 PM.

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    Re: morality

    I define ethics and morality differently, although there is overlap.

    Ethics are rules and/or philosophies that allow human societies to create complex relationships with each other and grow more prosperous. Without being able to trust each other, our progress would be much more limited. Trust requires believing that those around you have an ethic that woud prevent them from harming you. I believe that at least some of our ethics are instinctual/genetic since they can also be observed among some animals.

    Morals are more about cultural identity. In order to create a unified culture amongst a group of people, leaders establish and/or enforce rules for how to dress, sexual behavior, family structures, acceptable public behavior etc. These rules may be traditons and/or they may purportedly be dictated by a supernatural authority.

    Ethics are the practices that have remained relatively constant throughout time, place and across cultures, although that does not mean that people don't occassionally choose to violate their ethics. Morals are more specific to particular times, places and cultures.
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    Re: morality

    Morality exists in many forms. The the definition of the word morality is very subjective. And as this thread has shown is that most people are not on the same page when they discuss morality. But itt doesnt matter why or where morality comes form or any of the many details that people assign morality too, as long as people get the basics correct and live by them. Dont lie, dont cheat, dont harm other people, dont kill (through action or inaction).

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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    And for how many people "fairness" and "envy" are one and the same?
    You're confusing fairness with everything being equal. If all things were equal there would be no diversity.
    Fairness does not create envy but a lack of it might create a feeling of injustice.


    Absolutely. But laws based on the (inherently subjective) "fairness" will not protect people's rights - they will enable envy, vengeance, lust for power and other such nice things.
    Rights are based on fair treatment. Laws are written and rights guaranteed, so that there is no confusion about what is fair.
    Einstein, "science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."

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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    You're confusing fairness with everything being equal.
    No, I don't. I am saying that "fairness" is subjective, and cannot be a cornerstone of morality. Let's stick with the axiomatic value of life and of freedom of choice.

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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    There is only one God.
    And She doesn't like what many say/do in Her name...

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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    You asked the question about personal morals. If you didn't want an answer then why did you ask?!?
    I did want an answer, and thank you for answering.
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    It is not a matter of losing. Law was never in a position to have to make a decision. If one or the other would have taken action to dissolve the marriage Law would have. This was an example of two people deciding for whatever reason to stand pat and hold their hands. I did though in a different post make this point. Someone had said if a poor person steals food or stays inside a building that is off limits to survive and is arrested no one really wants to see this person punished. A judge may well decide to show leniency and not punish this person. He may back off the strict letter of the law in favor of his personal feelings. In a case such as this it gives the appearance that Law lost. It is really not the case. It is a personal decision maybe wrongly given by a judge. So there may well be some exceptions but they are few and far between. Thanks
    I wouldn't say that they are few and far between, especially if you're talking about people not doing things that are perfectly legal, because it goes against their personal morals. There are also examples of people breaking the law.
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    It certainly does address it. That is my belief about what morality is. A person's individual beliefs about what sort of behavior is acceptable and what isn't. If we're speaking of morals on the scale of a society, it is simply a gestalt of the moral views of the individuals that make up that society.
    Merely by creating the poll and asking the question, I acknowledged that everyone has their own opinions about morality. This is analogous to asking about subjective and objective beauty. The existence of subjective beauty, doesn't guarantee that objective beauty doesn't exist. We know that subjective morality exists, but what about objective morality?
    If you expect people to be rational, you aren't being rational.

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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    .....what about objective morality?
    There generally is, and should be, a consensus behavior that humans are expected to exhibit that allows them to safely walk the streets of most of the world without being hassled. You can not have anything resembling civilization without being able to trust other people to some degree. This same type of basic mutual respect is also found among many animals.

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