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  • a false concept

    5 7.04%
  • the laws of a particular society

    20 28.17%
  • the laws of God

    10 14.08%
  • the laws of nature

    9 12.68%
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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Morality, laws, values, freedoms and rights are built around one concept, fairness.
    I couldn't disagree more. "Fairness" is entirely in the eye of beholder. The story of Cain and Able is all about "fairness": Cain thought it is terribly unfair that his crops fail, and his brother's herds are thriving.

    The one concept is the freedom of choice, not "fairness".

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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    The term theft is not simply a legal term like murder.
    Yeah, I looked it up in Black's, afterward.
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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    Obviously, people disagree on moral issues, otherwise we would not be having this conversation. It doesn't mean, however, that objective morality does not exist. It simply means that some people discover and accept it, others discover and reject, still others have no clue what to look for or why look at all...
    Some people believe that of course, and they're entitled to their opinions, but personally I don't believe there is any such thing as universal or objective morality. There is no higher power or natural law that defines morality.
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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    That is so dishonest. When someone poses a immediate imminent threat to your life it is of course moral to remove that threat. That has really nothing at all to do with the poor man example.
    A threat? I could take that to some pretty gruesome but very logical conclusions. That's how wars of invasion get started.


    Amazing that some things have exceptions that are OK but others don't. LOL!
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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Yeah, I looked it up in Black's, afterward.
    .........

    I don't get it.

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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    I don't mean to be rude, but everyone knows that each person has their own opinions about what is and isn't moral. It goes without saying, but it doesn't address the OP or the poll.
    It certainly does address it. That is my belief about what morality is. A person's individual beliefs about what sort of behavior is acceptable and what isn't. If we're speaking of morals on the scale of a society, it is simply a gestalt of the moral views of the individuals that make up that society.
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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    There is no higher power or natural law that defines morality.
    "Higher power" would not supply "an objective morality" - it would be simply "whatever He says".

    But don't you think that our capacity for volition and our freedom of choice do exist, "objectively"?

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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    I couldn't disagree more. "Fairness" is entirely in the eye of beholder. The story of Cain and Able is all about "fairness": Cain thought it is terribly unfair that his crops fail, and his brother's herds are thriving.

    The one concept is the freedom of choice, not "fairness".
    You couldn't be more wrong.

    If someone or group is practicing tyranny and oppression over you because they believe that's fair you'd have no freedom of choice. Laws on based on fair and equitable treatment.
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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    If someone or group is practicing tyranny and oppression over you because they believe that's fair you'd have no freedom of choice..
    Exactly. Just like Cain had killed Abel out of "fairness", and denied him his choice to stay alive. "Fairness" is a lousy guide.


    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Laws on based on fair and equitable treatment.
    are tyrannical and oppressive, if they deny the freedom of choice.

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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    Exactly. Just like Cain had killed Abel out of "fairness", and denied him his choice to stay alive. "Fairness" is a lousy guide.
    Cain killed Abel out of envy, not lack of opportunity.


    are tyrannical and oppressive, if they deny the freedom of choice.
    This makes no sense because there can be no freedom, unless there are laws protecting peoples rights.
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