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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    I am. There's individual interpretation of morality, but no individual morality. When I feel that rape is wrong, I feel that it's wrong for everyone, not just me.

    Edit: If someone feels that rape is wrong for them but has no opinion about it being right/wrong for others, that isn't an opinion about morality.
    Then what would you call personal beliefs of civility (right and wrong, if you prefer) if not morality?
    Do you prefer "a standard of ethics", instead? I've always reserved that term for specific or professional groups of people.
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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by molten_dragon View Post
    That's not really what I mean when I say that morality is subjective. I agree that morals apply to everyone (or should anyway, some people have inconsistent views on that sort of thing). i.e. if I believe it is moral to act a certain way and immoral to act a different way, then I likely believe that is true for everyone. What I mean by morality is subjective is that whether a particular act is moral or immoral depends on who you're asking the question of.

    For example some people believe homosexuality to be immoral, others believe it is moral. Each of those people believes that morality or immorality to apply to everyone, but it is not universally moral or immoral.
    I don't mean to be rude, but everyone knows that each person has their own opinions about what is and isn't moral. It goes without saying, but it doesn't address the OP or the poll.
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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Then what would you call personal beliefs of civility (right and wrong, if you prefer) if not morality?
    Like I already said, each individual has their own interpretation of morality. It's kinda like the Constitution, there are many interpretations but only one Constitution.
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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    Like I already said, each individual has their own interpretation of morality. It's kinda like the Constitution, there are many interpretations but only one Constitution.
    Then you are claiming some form of objective morality that applies to everyone, everywhere?
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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Then you are claiming some form of objective morality that applies to everyone, everywhere?
    Me personally? Yes, I believe in natural law, but that's just my opinion. Some people believe in God and his/her laws. Those would also apply to everybody everywhere. If you believe morality is the laws of a particular society, then they apply to everyone within that society. If you believe that it only applies to the individual, that doesn't fit the definition of morality. What if you feel that rape is immoral and a rapist feels that it's moral? Would you say that the rapist is behaving morally simply because he's obeying his own morals?
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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    Me personally? Yes, I believe in natural law, but that's just my opinion. Some people believe in God and his/her laws. Those would also apply to everybody everywhere. If you believe morality is the laws of a particular society, then they apply to everyone within that society. If you believe that it only applies to the individual, that doesn't fit the definition of morality. What if you feel that rape is immoral and a rapist feels that it's moral? Would you say that the rapist is behaving morally simply because he's obeying his own morals?
    For ME to say someone was behaving morally, they would have to obey MY morals, not theirs - and vice versa.

    I have no doubt I have done things in my life that others found immoral even though I didn't. When I was very young pre-marital sex was immoral. Many religious people still believe it's immoral but the majority of the population doesn't think that, anymore, and my friends never thought that. So, was my pre-marital sex immoral? I didn't think so or I wouldn't have done it.
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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by jwzg View Post
    That's murder, not kill.
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    EXODUS 20:13 Thou shalt not kill.


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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by Incarnari View Post
    In the circumstance of one being a pedophile... no, though I would imagine it very possible depending of this individual's conception of morality,
    Morality is a social construct and not something imagined by an individual.
    Last edited by ecofarm; 05-05-13 at 01:21 PM.

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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    For ME to say someone was behaving morally, they would have to obey MY morals, not theirs - and vice versa.

    I have no doubt I have done things in my life that others found immoral even though I didn't. When I was very young pre-marital sex was immoral. Many religious people still believe it's immoral but the majority of the population doesn't think that, anymore, and my friends never thought that. So, was my pre-marital sex immoral? I didn't think so or I wouldn't have done it.
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    Re: morality

    Morality, laws, values, freedoms and rights are built around one concept, fairness. Civilization, society and community are a result of treating each other with respect and dignity. We are held together by the belief that all human life is of equal value regardless of age, sex, ethnicity or position.
    Einstein, "science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."

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