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morality

What is morality/


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It doesn't matter much what small groups do if the larger groups don't recognize it.

There is such thing as progress. Slavery was a norm at some point, now we see it as a horror. Kidnapping - sorry, drafting involuntarily - young men for military service was a norm; we don't do it anymore. We are about to end the discrimination of gays, and perhaps persecution for victimless "crimes" will stop in our lifetimes. Coercive taxation will take a bit longer.

It always starts with "small groups".
 
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How does it make no sense? You can be have liberty all to yourself, as, by your own example, Stalin.

Liberty is a mode of interaction between people. A dictator gets whatever he wants not because he is free, but because he is at the tip of the pyramid of slavery.
 
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There is such thing as progress. Slavery was a norm at some point, now we see it as a horror. Kidnapping - sorry, drafting involuntarily - young men for military service was a norm; we don't do it anymore. We are about to end the discrimination of gays, and perhaps persecution for victimless "crimes" will stop in our lifetimes. Coercive taxation will take a bit longer.

It always starts with "small groups".
The trouble is, it often ends with them, too. I'm not holding my breath on SSM - nor the draft. I've seen that in MY lifetime and was almost in line for it. Luckily, Tricky Dicky & Co decided we'd had enough before I turned 18. Sorry, but I don't call 40 years ago "not doing it anymore". It's not like it couldn't be done again very easily.
 
The trouble is, it often ends with them, too.

For every lasting success, there are many temporary failures. What else is new?

Luckily, Tricky Dicky & Co decided we'd had enough before I turned 18.

See - that's the problem. People remember Nixon, because it "happened under him". And the role libertarians (i.e. actual liberals) had played is for "history buffs".....

"Milton Friedman? - you mean, the economist?"

"Melvin Laird? Never heard of him".
 
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Liberty is a mode of interaction between people. A dictator gets whatever he wants not because he is free, but because he is at the tip of the pyramid of slavery.

But he still has liberty all to himself.
 
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