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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    No, society does not view theft as always bad and in fact will allow for it in certain cases. An example of that is found in the Kobe Bryant's case against his mother. Apparently if you leave something at someones house for X amount of time you lose it and they gain ownership. Another example of course is taxes. Morally speaking however, it is your property no matter the amount of time that passes and no matter if its government or someone else taking your property. Morally speaking there is no exceptions to theft. Theft is theft.
    To you "theft is theft" but your morality doesn't dictate someone else's morality nor the morality of society. You continue to prove my point.


    Obviously the cases you cited aren't theft.
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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    I have come to the end of my debate with you. If the only way you can prove your point is to misrepresent what someone said i feel sorry for you. You owe me an apology. You also know what you did. so I find it ignorant on your part.

    1. You make a short statement and ask:
    2. My response is straight forward and makes two points. I will make them in two colors:
    The first part of this statement states I have no problem with what you are saying so I stand in agreement. The second part of the phrase states that pedophiles may disagree with you. This is not a difficult phrase to understand.
    3. In the third quote you ask the question: after using this quote of mine as if to say what my words reflect is that I support the raping of children.
    Misrepresenting someone is no way to debate or discuss. It is especially in poor taste when it involves the sensitive topic. I find your tactic deplorable and you despicable. Debate with you over. You should check and see if you have moral qualities before you try and debate them.
    You missed the point.

    In the circumstance of someone being a pedo, is child rape ok? No. Thus, your argument about pedos disagreeing is nonsense.

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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    You missed the point.

    In the circumstance of someone being a pedo, is child rape ok? No. Thus, your argument about pedos disagreeing is nonsense.
    In the circumstance of one being a pedophile... no, though I would imagine it very possible depending of this individual's conception of morality, and the nature of his sexual inclinations. Child molester, also possibly no, as the individual may be under some delusions regarding the... consonance of his acts. Child rapist—certainly. All you're denoting is that you don't find it okay, as well as the majority of your peers. Most nothing is absolute friend; and all is righteous in madness.
    Last edited by Incarnari; 05-05-13 at 04:36 AM.

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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    To you "theft is theft" but your morality doesn't dictate someone else's morality nor the morality of society. You continue to prove my point.
    All that I continue to prove is that your stance is neither logical or based on morality. You must abuse someone else for your stance to exist making it immoral.

    Obviously the cases you cited aren't theft.
    Obviously they are. The only question that was ever open is if they are wrong. Since there is no logical basis to decree they are not wrong, they are in fact wrong.

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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Then explain moral objections to homosexuality.
    You mean, the immoral, collectivist objections?

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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    Does it exist? If so, what is it?
    Personally,I really don't know what morals really are.All I know is that lots people try to force their "morality" on others.

    What I do know is that I have a personal code of ethics that I strongly adhere to.Mostly stuff from Taoism,with some Buddhism and some neo-paganism. As long as I adhere to my code of ethics everything in my life goes quite nicely.I have the love of my wife and children,the respect of my peers,and success in my business ventures.It is when I stray from my code of ethics that I get into trouble.So I try very hard to adhere to my code of ethics.

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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    All that I continue to prove is that your stance is neither logical or based on morality. You must abuse someone else for your stance to exist making it immoral.
    Just like the example with the gunman above, situations you guys always ignore, when it comes to life and death (and even severe injury) there are exceptions. There's nothing illogical or immoral about it.


    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Obviously they are. The only question that was ever open is if they are wrong. Since there is no logical basis to decree they are not wrong, they are in fact wrong.
    I'm sure in your mind someone can commit legal theft. Again, I disagree with you. To me that's like saying it's legal murder.
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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    You mean, the immoral, collectivist objections?
    Immoral to you. Morals are subjective.
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    RE: morality

    That's murder, not kill.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thou_shalt_not_kill


    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    That's kill. Impossible? Of course, the Law is damnation and cannot save. Still, we should do our best; just like with every other commandment. This idea that it is 'murder' and not 'kill' comes from some kind of delusion that the goal is attainable. It's not attainable, it represents God in the premonition of His Son.
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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    Society and how we're raised are both outside forces.
    Yeah, I didn't word that very well. Our morality is shaped by outside forces, but it isn't determined by some inherent natural law or the will of god or anything like that.
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