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  • the laws of a particular society

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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I guess I didn't expect crushes on the crotch, but more like deities.
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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    And unless you're stupid or insane, you realize that if you do that to me, then someone will do it to you. So we collectively agree not to do these things, and we all benefit. Our own survival and prosperity drives us to protect one another and not abuse each other. Empathy is biological. Learned behaviors are biological. Morality is biological.
    That doesn't make morality some innate thing - it's a human construct and you've just shown it by invoking realization and reason. Reasoning is something that's learned, too, as anyone who's spent time looking through the various forums here can plainly see. Some small bit of reasoning is innate but it's very limited. Certainly philosophical concepts are beyond simple, animal reasoning.

    Empathy to some extent is biological (as it is in other animals) but only as it pertains to your social group - which doesn't mean a nation of 350M people. Learned behaviors are just that, learned, not genetic. If morals were genetic then we wouldn't have to use reason to get there. Mostly, we're taught what to believe, which includes morals.
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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonzai View Post
    Yeah. He grows up from between where Salman Khan's thighs meet..........................
    Does anyone have any idea what that could possibly mean?


    On second thought, nevermind. Sorry I asked. I'll suppose Salman Khan is a celebrity.
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    Re: morality

    I like to think morality is one of those highly variable, existing greatly within the realm of the irrational, yet essential and ubiquitous concepts—like god.

    Example: We find sadism immoral. Why, because of the identification of pain of the other with pain of the self. But once this is removed, the sadistic soul only has pleasure, so from their perspective they are in the right because the pain of the other is irrelevant, all there is his own personal ecstasy. And while still confined to that perspective... it's perfectly understandable, even reasonable. But in the interest of order, empathy, and the passions this cannot be condoned.

    It's ever-changing. It exists in the individual and the collective. It is in no way axiom, or of metaphysical (as well as innate) origin. It is in fact very cardinal to the spirit and the human experience, ebbing and flowing as is due, and growing with us (as a society and individuals). A great font of incarnate beauty really, and although I shun puerile dichotomies in my own personal doctrine, I believe the resplendent monoliths of right and wrong to be more lovely (perhaps with more artistic license) than the great grey sea the intellect must heed so somberly.
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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    No, I was trying to get you to admit something and you did. Thanks.
    Admit, what? That I don't feel obligated to defend your moral position? I could have told you I wouldn't do that a dozen posts ago.
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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Admit, what? That I don't feel obligated to defend your moral position? I could have told you I wouldn't do that a dozen posts ago.
    Your original argument was one where the morality against theft had an exception to the rule for the poor man that needed to steal for his survival. Of course, that never made any sense to begin with.

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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    No, that's how you extinguish all the morality. "Society" is not real - it is an abstraction; individuals are real - they are actual living human beings. If a society punishes an individual who did no harm to any other individual but "harmed the society" (whatever it means), we can tell right away that this society is very, very sick.
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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Everyone. For example: no raping children. Do you have a problem with that? Do you think anyone does?
    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    I do not have a problem with this at all but a pedophile may well disagree with you. So no there is not a universal moral consensuses. You can even look at murder or killing. There are those who can even justify this. So you cannot base Law on moral thoughts based on individuals.
    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Under some circumstances, raping children is ok?

    Morality is a social construct and not a matter of individual decision. It's no more debatable than reality.
    I have come to the end of my debate with you. If the only way you can prove your point is to misrepresent what someone said i feel sorry for you. You owe me an apology. You also know what you did. so I find it ignorant on your part.

    1. You make a short statement and ask:
    For example: no raping children. Do you have a problem with that?
    2. My response is straight forward and makes two points. I will make them in two colors:
    I do not have a problem with this at all but a pedophile may well disagree with you.
    The first part of this statement states I have no problem with what you are saying so I stand in agreement. The second part of the phrase states that pedophiles may disagree with you. This is not a difficult phrase to understand.
    3. In the third quote you ask the question:
    Under some circumstances, raping children is ok?
    after using this quote of mine as if to say what my words reflect is that I support the raping of children.
    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0
    I do not have a problem with this at all but a pedophile may well disagree with you.
    Misrepresenting someone is no way to debate or discuss. It is especially in poor taste when it involves the sensitive topic. I find your tactic deplorable and you despicable. Debate with you over. You should check and see if you have moral qualities before you try and debate them.
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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Your original argument was one where the morality against theft had an exception to the rule for the poor man that needed to steal for his survival. Of course, that never made any sense to begin with.
    The absolute morality against theft is societal. To allow an exception for extreme cases is individual. And that's exactly what I said in my first post.


    Can a man carry a loaded shotgun down the street? Yes. Is it moral for someone to take it away from him? No. But what if he points it at someone and puts his finger on the trigger - is it still moral to take it away from him? Probably!!! See what I mean?
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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    The absolute morality against theft is societal. To allow an exception in extreme cases is individual.
    No, society does not view theft as always bad and in fact will allow for it in certain cases. An example of that is found in the Kobe Bryant's case against his mother. Apparently if you leave something at someones house for X amount of time you lose it and they gain ownership. Another example of course is taxes. Morally speaking however, it is your property no matter the amount of time that passes and no matter if its government or someone else taking your property. Morally speaking there is no exceptions to theft. Theft is theft.

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