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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    >" National law is more a moral than a legal science. Law is a rule of action prescribed by competent authority. Moreover, all Law implies some sanction to enforce it. Now National law is that which defines and regulates the social duties of Nation to Nation. Where then is the authority that prescribes such duties, and where the sanction that enforces them?

    To find these we must go back to the individual Man, and see whether such duties appertain to him; by what authority, and with what sanctions.

    We assume the maxim "cuivis Natura convenienter vivere opportet."

    If then we can show that the nature of Man is such as to make society one of the conditions of his existence, we may thence infer his social duties.

    Now, out of Society the Human Race could not exist, for

    1. The infant would presently perish if not supplied with food and warmth.

    2. The human mother, unlike other animals is hardly less helpless than her new-born babe, and she too would perish without aid.

    3. The husband and father gives the needed aid only because he knows himself to be so; and this knowledge he must owe to social regulation, unless we suppose him and his family disconnected entirely from all others.

    4. On that supposition it would be impossible for him at once to feed and defend his wife and child. While he hunts the deer, the tiger devours them.

    This infirmity of the individual man is the strength of the Race. It binds men together, and makes the strength the knowledge and resources of the whole, the strength, knowledge and resources of each.

    From this social nature we infer social duties: prescribed by the author of that Nature.

    The sanction is the destruction which a neglect of them would bring on the race.

    The universal law which binds all things "Natura convenienter vivere," is faithfully obeyed by all things but man. Why not by him?

    He has a will wayward and perverse, passions that mislead, and a reason too short-sighted to keep him always in the path of duty.

    To reform this will; to regulate these passions and enlighten this reason is the business of all Education from the cradle to the death-bed.

    Even while man resists the teachings of Wisdom and Virtue, he acknowledges, in general terms, the social duties arising from his social nature.

    This admission is the basis Natural Law; which teaches the duties of Man to Man.

    Can he lawfully refuse to perform them?

    Can he, by his own act, shake off the obligation to perform them?

    Can he lawfully disable himself to perform them?

    They are due to all. Can he, by leaguing with a few, free himself from his duties to the rest?

    To all these questions reason answers "no."

    Then a community so knit together that the performance of the duties of its members to strangers is made impracticable, must assume them.

    Communities are thus bound to fulfil to other communities the duties which the members of the one owe to the members of the other as natural men.

    Thus the Law of Nature becomes the Law of Nations.

    It is the same code whose maxims are summed up in the rule, "Whatsoever ye would that others should do unto you, the same do ye also unto them."

    Its sanction is the same that denounces "tribulation and anguish upon every soul of man that doeth evil." What is all this but Morality. "<



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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    Basic moral standards according to whom?
    Everyone. For example: no raping children. Do you have a problem with that? Do you think anyone does?

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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Everyone. For example: no raping children. Do you have a problem with that? Do you think anyone does?
    I do not have a problem with this at all but a pedophile may well disagree with you. So no there is not a universal moral consensuses. You can even look at murder or killing. There are those who can even justify this. So you cannot base Law on moral thoughts based on individuals.
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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Everyone. For example: no raping children. Do you have a problem with that? Do you think anyone does?
    I really don't think you should go with everyone. There are those that lack certain functions which makes any "everyone" argument go out the window. I think your argument holds up for the normally functioning person though.

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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    It is an abandonment of morality. If the moral position is against theft then morality dedicates that the rich man nor the poor can steal and be morally in the right. Be that for their survival, their desire, or otherwise. As I said, this position that they hold is not a moral position, but a position based on pity and abuse.
    You continue to repeat yourself, so I am forced to do the same: Each of us has our own set of morals and obviously some people disagree with you. You continue to make a false representation of other people's morals. Since you don't believe in those morals, you can't understand them.
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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    You continue to repeat yourself, so I am forced to do the same:

    Each of us has our own set of morals and obviously some people disagree with you.
    Then it should be known by now that the example you have given does not express this.

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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    I do not have a problem with this at all but a pedophile may well disagree with you.
    Under some circumstances, raping children is ok?

    Morality is a social construct and not a matter of individual decision. It's no more debatable than reality.

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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Then it should be known by now that the example you have given does not express this.
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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Then it should be known by now that the example you have given does not express this.
    Express what? That other people have different morals than you? At this point it's obviously true.
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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I really don't think you should go with everyone. There are those that lack certain functions which makes any "everyone" argument go out the window. I think your argument holds up for the normally functioning person though.
    Incorrect. As long as the impacts of an action are considered (that is, morality remains a social construct), even disgusting sociopaths fail to disrupt a universal understanding of right and wrong. Only through an absolutist and nihilist slab of crap based on egocentrism can anyone claim that either is relative.

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