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  • the laws of a particular society

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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I agree that morality goes out the window for the overall population but morality certainly is pertinent to your individual social group(s). Break the morals of the group and you may get shunned.


    I agree with the rest of your post.
    Sure in a social group you would be shunned and I agree.
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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Your example is the exact kind of thing I was talking about earlier. Morality is not about personal need or desire, but about treatment of the parties involved. How is it that the poor man can steal, but the people he is stealing from can not steal? How is it moral for him to deprive them when its not moral for them to deprive him? There is no sense to this example you have gave.
    Sometimes individual morals do not agree with society's morals, which is exactly what I stated in the first place. Thank you for continuing to show evidence of my point.


    Are you trying to argue there is no individual morality?
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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Why is it not both?
    I just said why.
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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonzai View Post
    Ideally, of course..........But none of us have ever lived in a vaccuum and the fact remains that our predecessors, whether yesterday or 2,000 years ago, opted for a manner of behaviour that made a lifestyle out of "laying their ideals on others as the ultimate answer". I guess my point is: People didn't "evolve" into moral beings-----They degenerated into a raving mob of demented sidedrooling control freaks............I'm not sure I "believe" that type of affliction can be cured, not to appear overly pessimistic...................
    The ideals of others and specific beliefs will also be pushed on others it seems the nature of humanity the beast. LOL and no it will never change.
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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Sometimes individual morals do not agree with society's morals, which is exactly what I stated in the first place.

    Are you trying to argue there is no individual morality?
    Societies morality does not interest me and nor does individual morality. It's a matter of reason. The example you gave defies the very foundation of morality and replaces it with pity and abuse.

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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    I just said why.
    The philosophy you reference is both from reason and morality.

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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Societies morality does not interest me and nor does individual morality. It's a matter of reason. The example you gave defies the very foundation of morality and replaces it with pity and abuse.


    Of course not. Because you are an agent of a higher morality. The morality of God.......................

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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Which is why society is about both morality and laws.
    This is why nations are about laws and not morals because individual morals vary inside a nation and the law is consistent as in the US Constitution. Morals have nothing to do with how a nation operates and law leads the way.
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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonzai View Post
    Of course not. Because you are an agent of a higher morality. The morality of God.......................
    I don't recall having a problem with gays. Perhaps because I'm consistent and god is not.

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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    It's wrong to harm someone. As human society has evolved, this principle has been applied to society as a whole. It's wrong to do something that harms society, and the individual who did so must be punished. And from this you derive all the morality of the world.
    No, that's how you extinguish all the morality. "Society" is not real - it is an abstraction; individuals are real - they are actual living human beings. If a society punishes an individual who did no harm to any other individual but "harmed the society" (whatever it means), we can tell right away that this society is very, very sick.

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