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  • the laws of a particular society

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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    Honor killings are not punishment. Killing a rape victim is an example of an honor killing. If a woman has been soiled, she must be killed for the honor of the family.
    Because they view a soiled women as harmful to society.
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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    The law? This is not a matter of law. Respecting the property of someone else is a moral position and to some degree not a legal one. The question you offered perhaps on accident was if it was right for the poor man to steal. It is not.

    Your position appears to be that it is right for the poor man to steal because he is need, but the fact remains need has no bearing on what he should or should not do towards others.
    Obviously your morals and other people's morals differ. You couldn't have shown my point better. Thank you.
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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I'd have to disagree. The caveman for example was all about instinct, no morals what so ever. Yes morals can be, and was, the cause of many an atrocity, but it can also...and has also....created the very country that we live in. It was morality that made our founders realize that people had rights. It was morality that ended slavery despite the obvious advantage of free labor. It was morality that ended segregation. And many other things.
    Philosophy did that, not morality. The original ideas didn't pop up spontaneously in the population.
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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Because they view a soiled women as harmful to society.



    Which is sort of like thinking cats are the agents of Satan...................

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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Obviously your morals and other people's morals differ. You couldn't have shown my point better. Thank you.
    Your example is the exact kind of thing I was talking about earlier. Morality is not about personal need or desire, but about treatment of the parties involved. How is it that the poor man can steal, but the people he is stealing from can not steal? How is it moral for him to deprive them when its not moral for them to deprive him? There is no sense to this example you have gave.

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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    Philosophy did that, not morality. The original ideas didn't pop up spontaneously in the population.
    Why is it not both?

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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonzai View Post
    Which is sort of like thinking cats are the agents of Satan...................
    No, it's nothing like thinking cats are agents of Satan. A 'soiled' women isn't harmful to society.
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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by MoSurveyor View Post
    All I said was that some morality was embodied in law and others aren't. That was a response to the OP. However, I should note that most laws are not immoral but there are exceptions.

    I've now read through this thread - to this point, at least - and I've always agreed that morality is determined by society and that individuals have their own morals on top of that, some of which conflict with societal mores. For example, stealing is generally immoral to society (and almost always illegal) but many people don't see a poor, starving person stealing food or a homeless person squatting in an empty building to get out of the cold as immoral.
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    They don't? Why?

    You appear to be doing exactly what I described above. You're confusing need with morality.

    The poor man is not excluded by morality simply because he is poor and in need. The moral thing to do is help the poor man, but in turn the moral thing for the poor man to do is not to steal from everyone else to get the help he needs. Why would someone think that something is different for him?
    If we go strictly by the basis of law there is no reason why this poor person should not be found guilty of a crime. If we use the heart many would see the crime was innocent survival. Are there times when law stands back in the form of a judge to make his or her own moral judgement an show leniency in certain cases because of extenuating circumstances? Here we have another mix where a person of power capable of altering law does based on their own moral code and not the actual law which is set in stone. It is a choice between mercy and justice. This is a question which faces the courts often and judges weigh in with their own opinions.
    The SCOTUS offers opinions. These opinions are based on a persons experience and learned base. We speak of conservative or liberal opinion. Are these opinions based on law and precedent or the leaning of a particular justices heart? We never know do we.
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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Your example is the exact kind of thing I was talking about earlier. Morality is not about personal need or desire, but about treatment of the parties involved. How is it that the poor man can steal, but the people he is stealing from can not steal? How is it moral for him to deprive them when its not moral for them to deprive him? There is no sense to this example you have gave.



    And that is why I don't trust the people here further than I can see them..................

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    Re: morality

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    Who said anything about religious rules? They could both be atheists. The law loses.
    The initial post I gave was of a couple married in a church and so that is why i speak of religious rules here. It was an example based on a religious decision. Certainly there could be an atheistic position as well.
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