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    Are political issues debatable?

    Is it obvious which side of an issue is the right side and which side is the wrong side? When you look at the conversations on this site, or any other place where politics is being discussed, ridicule is common. Almost everybody acts like they're obviously right and you have to be delusional, ignorant or malicious to disagree with them. Almost nobody is willing to agree to disagree.

    IMHO, politics is extremely debatable. It's like choosing between Blues and Jazz, or between beef and pork. Two people can both be intelligent, informed, rational, open minded, pure of heart, and still have completely different politics. When you fail to recognize this, you end up saying stupid things.
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    Re: Are political issues debatable?

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    Is it obvious which side of an issue is the right side and which side is the wrong side? When you look at the conversations on this site, or any other place where politics is being discussed, ridicule is common. Almost everybody acts like they're obviously right and you have to be delusional, ignorant or malicious to disagree with them. Almost nobody is willing to agree to disagree.

    IMHO, politics is extremely debatable. It's like choosing between Blues and Jazz, or between beef and pork. Two people can both be intelligent, informed, sane, pure of heart, and have completely different politics. When you fail to recognize this, you end up saying stupid things.
    This is very true as far as it goes.

    Problem comes in when we start talking abouts bans etc.

    My example since I'm conservative , I don't believe in this gun control BS

    cause it won't solve the problem of the criminals having guns.

    It ticks me off that cities cant have a manger display at Christmas time.

    I'm sure that people against them mean well,but I think they're wrong.

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    Re: Are political issues debatable?

    Debatable maybe. Solving a problem or creating a precedence....not so much.

    There can be a certain amount of give and take but, that seems to be where debate ends.

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    Re: Are political issues debatable?

    Quote Originally Posted by penn1954 View Post
    This is very true as far as it goes.

    Problem comes in when we start talking abouts bans etc.

    My example since I'm conservative , I don't believe in this gun control BS

    cause it won't solve the problem of the criminals having guns.

    It ticks me off that cities cant have a manger display at Christmas time.

    I'm sure that people against them mean well,but I think they're wrong.
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    Re: Are political issues debatable?

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    Is it obvious which side of an issue is the right side and which side is the wrong side? When you look at the conversations on this site, or any other place where politics is being discussed, ridicule is common. Almost everybody acts like they're obviously right and you have to be delusional, ignorant or malicious to disagree with them. Almost nobody is willing to agree to disagree.

    IMHO, politics is extremely debatable. It's like choosing between Blues and Jazz, or between beef and pork. Two people can both be intelligent, informed, rational, open minded, pure of heart, and still have completely different politics. When you fail to recognize this, you end up saying stupid things.
    It definitely is. I know I've changed or at least softened some of my positions because of discussions here. Real debate can only happen when someone is as willing to hear the other side as they are in expressing their own views. It's that which is pretty rare.

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    Re: Are political issues debatable?

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    Is it obvious which side of an issue is the right side and which side is the wrong side? When you look at the conversations on this site, or any other place where politics is being discussed, ridicule is common. Almost everybody acts like they're obviously right and you have to be delusional, ignorant or malicious to disagree with them. Almost nobody is willing to agree to disagree.

    IMHO, politics is extremely debatable. It's like choosing between Blues and Jazz, or between beef and pork. Two people can both be intelligent, informed, rational, open minded, pure of heart, and still have completely different politics. When you fail to recognize this, you end up saying stupid things.
    Politics is a matter of morals, and morals are not debatable.

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    Re: Are political issues debatable?

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    Is it obvious which side of an issue is the right side and which side is the wrong side? When you look at the conversations on this site, or any other place where politics is being discussed, ridicule is common. Almost everybody acts like they're obviously right and you have to be delusional, ignorant or malicious to disagree with them. Almost nobody is willing to agree to disagree.

    IMHO, politics is extremely debatable. It's like choosing between Blues and Jazz, or between beef and pork. Two people can both be intelligent, informed, rational, open minded, pure of heart, and still have completely different politics. When you fail to recognize this, you end up saying stupid things.
    I think everything in politics is debatable and probably should be debated. For a very few people it is important to know both sides of an issue before making up their mind on where they stand on that issue or how that issue will effect them. But these type of folks are in the minority, perhaps a very small minority. Most people on this site and other sites I have belonged to, it seems they wait until their political party makes up its mind as to where it stands and then they take that stance 100% regardless how it effects them personally.

    I have fun on DP, it is entertainment and I never take this site too seriously. But getting into conversations with the right people here, you can learn a lot. I have and that is refreshing. Then there are those who always resort to name calling, I tend to ignore those folks.

    That I guess was a tangent, but your to answer your question, yes everything dealing with politics is debatable and that is what is fun about politics. That and learning other peoples opinions.
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    Re: Are political issues debatable?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    It definitely is. I know I've changed or at least softened some of my positions because of discussions here. Real debate can only happen when someone is as willing to hear the other side as they are in expressing their own views. It's that which is pretty rare.
    I agree. It is interesting to hear all the different opinions and with politics, we are dealing more with opinions than facts. But having respect for differing opinions and those you are talking having the same has made for me, some very interesting and entertaining nights and sometime days.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Are political issues debatable?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Politics is a matter of morals, and morals are not debatable.
    Morals or mores, there is a difference. I think morals can enter politics, but politics is not morals.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Are political issues debatable?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Morals or mores, there is a difference. I think morals can enter politics, but politics is not morals.
    I beg to differ. Politics is moral principles writ large. If you leave your morals at the door when it comes to politics then you are just talking about Machiavellian animalism. Morality is what allows the use of power to transcend brute animalism and become civilized.

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