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  • most issues are debatable

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Thread: Are political issues debatable?

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    Re: Are political issues debatable?

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    We went to a March of Dimes event today and , for the first time in my life, I listened to the National Anthem with no flag in sight. (Austin, TX. Kremlin on the Colorado.)
    You'd think a flag wouldn't upset the natives but then what I've read

    about Austin theres a bunch of flaming libs. Wish it weren't so.

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    Re: Are political issues debatable?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    I beg to differ. Politics is moral principles writ large. If you leave your morals at the door when it comes to politics then you are just talking about Machiavellian animalism. Morality is what allows the use of power to transcend brute animalism and become civilized.
    Okay, I can buy that to a certain extent, probably to most extents. . But who determines what is or isn't moral? Society, government, religion, customs handed down, parents? Isn't something that we might deem moral here in the states be viewed as immoral in Asia or Africa or someplace else? Some equate morality to ethical conduct, the way we practice politics here, for the most part there is nothing ethical about it.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Are political issues debatable?

    Quote Originally Posted by penn1954 View Post
    You'd think a flag wouldn't upset the natives but then what I've read

    about Austin theres a bunch of flaming libs. Wish it weren't so.
    Yep [I tried to sneak that in]


    Now I'm not sure who they were playing the National Anthem for??

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    Re: Are political issues debatable?

    Once they are settled and decided, facts are not debatable. What conclusions to draw from those facts, and what actions to take based on those conclusions, are.
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    Re: Are political issues debatable?

    Of course most issues are debatable...


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    Re: Are political issues debatable?

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Of course most issues are debatable...
    That's debatable.

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    Re: Are political issues debatable?

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    That's debatable.
    Exactly just about anything is debatable.


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    Re: Are political issues debatable?

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    Politics is a matter of morals, and morals are not debatable.
    Yes they are.
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    Re: Are political issues debatable?

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    Is it obvious which side of an issue is the right side and which side is the wrong side?
    No. Or rather yes, but it's all a matter of opinion. Which side of an issue is right and which side is wrong is very obvious to some people, but that's only their opinion, and it's obvious that others don't share it.

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    When you look at the conversations on this site, or any other place where politics is being discussed, ridicule is common. Almost everybody acts like they're obviously right and you have to be delusional, ignorant or malicious to disagree with them. Almost nobody is willing to agree to disagree.
    That's just people. It's not just politics that people act that way about, it's lots of things.

    Quote Originally Posted by mpg View Post
    IMHO, politics is extremely debatable. It's like choosing between Blues and Jazz, or between beef and pork. Two people can both be intelligent, informed, rational, open minded, pure of heart, and still have completely different politics. When you fail to recognize this, you end up saying stupid things.
    Yep, but no one is immune to doing or saying stupid things sometimes.
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    Re: Are political issues debatable?

    It is not as much of an issue of if they can be debated, it is an issue of the individuals.

    Most people do not debate, they argue. They have no interest in trying to reach a consensus view or in trying to get to understand each side of the issue, they are trying to beat somebody until they agree with them.

    I have no problem in most cases going "I believe in A, you believe in B", then parting with an understanding of their point of view. But all to often, I find that "You believe in A, and I am going to beat this subject to death until you agree with me that B is correct" is what most people are actually doing.

    This is why I generally stay out of "debates" over subjects of personal opinion, and stick to factual and historical issues.

    After all, there is little debate that George Washington was the first President.

    Unless somebody is going to claim I was wrong, and that the first President was really Samuel Huntington.
    War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. - John Stuart Mill

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