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    Re: An Atheist President?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    Just as an atheist shouldn't be a preacher, an evangelical (for example) shouldn't be able to hold the office of president.
    So you think that in order for the government to honor freedom of religion its officials should be barred from being free to practice religion.

    That doesn't make any sense.

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    Re: An Atheist President?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    I don't know why you're claiming that that is "obvious". I have no idea what your positions are so nothing is "obvious" unless you state it. Now, you asked whether or not an atheist would be the ideal candidate. You didn't specify which "type" of atheists you would include or exclude from consideration. You just said "atheist." My answer again, is that an atheist's atheism, is not, in itself enough to qualify a person to be president. I gave my reasons already.
    I thought it was obvious that, since we're dealing with an elected office, the candidate would have to be electable. That is not obvious? Sorry, sometimes I overestimate what is obvious.

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    Re: An Atheist President?

    An Agnostic would be the best choice IMHO. Believing or not believing in invisible gods is a sign of insanity. Agnostics are realistic and logical, all the rest are either liars or fools.

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    Re: An Atheist President?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    1. Since religion is neither the only nor most important issue in this country, determining whether or not someone would be "the ideal choice to lead the country" solely according to whether or not they "uphold the separation of Church and State" is not a good idea. There are many other abilities that a president needs to have.

    2. Atheists are not necessarily better at dealing with religion fairly than theists. Sam Harris comes to mind as an atheist who, if president, would do as much harm to the relationship between religion and the state many Christians would. For those who don't know, Sam Harris is a very ... vocal atheist who endorses prejudice and discrimination against Muslims because he irrationality ties all Muslims to groups like al Qaeda. Richard Dawkins behaves similarly.

    There are also atheists who are, in my opinion, excessively hostile towards Christianity and Christians. There are also atheists who, again in my opinion, are excessively hostile towards all religions, religious people and theists, in general. I would not want those people in any political position anymore than I want religious people in office who think government should be a theocracy.

    In short, no, an atheist - simply because he or she is an atheist - would not be an ideal president. An ideal president has to have many qualities and such a president could certainly be an atheist, but their atheism, in itself, is not enough to make it so.
    Sam Harris is an extremely intelligent person who sheds light on the nature of Islamic radical beliefs and people who observe them. He is always respectful. If you think disrespect is challenging religion in public discourse then you are just the type of person who he is trying to reach.

    Would you rather have George W. Bush in office than an atheist?

    Every quality you need to have as a president, you can have outside of religion.

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    Re: An Atheist President?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    I don't know why you're claiming that that is "obvious". I have no idea what your positions are so nothing is "obvious" unless you state it. Now, you asked whether or not an atheist would be the ideal candidate. You didn't specify which "type" of atheists you would include or exclude from consideration. You just said "atheist." My answer again, is that an atheist's atheism, is not, in itself enough to qualify a person to be president. I gave my reasons already.
    And yet, simply because we are atheists, we are the most unelectable people in the country. So all those are arguments that you gave are rather moot, and I must ask that if you believe the reverse is true as well; for there is most certainly symmetry breaking in the dealing of theists and atheists in this country and I wonder if y'all have ever even given that any mind.
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    Re: An Atheist President?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    So you think that in order for the government to honor freedom of religion its officials should be barred from being free to practice religion.

    That doesn't make any sense.
    Does it make any more sense than having religion play a role in secular policy?

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    Re: An Atheist President?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    So you think that in order for the government to honor freedom of religion its officials should be barred from being free to practice religion.

    That doesn't make any sense.
    Exactly, what the first amendment does is give us the freedom of religion, any religion, not freedom from religion which so many seem to think that is what it says. Congress or the government can't establish an official state sponsored religion, neither can government make the united states a religious free zone which at time I would swear the SCOTUS and others are trying to do so.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: An Atheist President?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    Wouldn't an atheist president be the ideal choice to lead the country? In fact, shouldn't we require our elected officials to forsake religion in order to better serve us and uphold the separation of Church and State?
    Wasn't Jefferson basically an atheist?

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    Re: An Atheist President?

    There is no doubt going to come a time when a atheist president gets elected if the current trend of religious decline continues.

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    Re: An Atheist President?

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    An Agnostic would be the best choice IMHO. Believing or not believing in invisible gods is a sign of insanity. Agnostics are realistic and logical, all the rest are either liars or fools.
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