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    Re: An Atheist President?

    Quote Originally Posted by Knowledge=power View Post
    Profiling is a necessary and unavoidable issue when faced with preventing events like 9/11 if we are to believe there is a radical Ilsamic sect which is trying to harm our citizens. I too have no problem criticizing religion.
    Whether profiling is necessary is irrelevant to what we were discussing. You said that Harris "in no way favors discrimination." However, since he favors profiling, he does favor discrimination and so do you apparently. Again, the issue was whether or not Harris favors discrimination. He does.

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    Re: An Atheist President?

    Yes, it does. Neither I nor the cats are invisible and thus pass the test of proof. Religion requires faith as opposed to proof. Thus, the cats and I can revere each other but worshipping is a bit over the top.


    (but I have seen them praying for wet food at around 2 PM)


    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Still doesn't answer the question.........

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    Re: An Atheist President?

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    The same way anybody can be sure about the opposite..
    The only way to be sure of the opposite to be presented with factual, verifiable proof of existence. There's no such thing as a proof on non-existence (except within very limited well-studied environments, like I can prove that there's no elephant in my room right now).

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    the distinction between the belief in a lack and the lack of a belief when the label of atheism is employed as anything more than a split hair.
    But the distinction is huge. The belief in a lack is a fallacy. The lack of a belief is the cornerstone of scientific method and rational thinking in general.

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    I'm of the opinion that many people who call themselves atheists are actually apatheists .
    In the sense that they don't think it is worth the effort, to look for gods or even to analyze such efforts skeptically? Yes, but that condition arrives after you become an atheist. The process of becoming hardly can be guided by indifference; we have evolved to be believers, after all.

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    Re: An Atheist President?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    Wouldn't an atheist president be the ideal choice to lead the country? In fact, shouldn't we require our elected officials to forsake religion in order to better serve us and uphold the separation of Church and State?
    No, that would go against the Constitution. Freedom of Religion, that includes politicians too.

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    Re: An Atheist President?

    I would definitely vote for an atheist if I thought he or she would make a good president and shared some of my views. I think religion is a personal thing and should never be mixed up with politics anyway.

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    Re: An Atheist President?

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    Yes, it does. Neither I nor the cats are invisible and thus pass the test of proof. Religion requires faith as opposed to proof. Thus, the cats and I can revere each other but worshipping is a bit over the top.


    (but I have seen them praying for wet food at around 2 PM)
    There is no requirement that a deity be invisible by definition. God was once a burning tumbleweed or sumpin' and a black guy who looked just like Morgan Freeman.

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    Re: An Atheist President?

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    what about both gay atheist black and woman ?
    Too easy. How about a polygamous hermaphrodite Voodoo priest who just happens to be a Neanderthal resurrected by cloning?


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    Re: An Atheist President?

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    what you need is not an atheist president but a real secularist
    That's how we started out, with people like Jefferson and Madison.

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    Re: An Atheist President?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    The only way to be sure of the opposite to be presented with factual, verifiable proof of existence. There's no such thing as a proof on non-existence (except within very limited well-studied environments, like I can prove that there's no elephant in my room right now).
    That may be your standard, but it is not the standard held by many people. For many people, it is enough simply to believe.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    But the distinction is huge. The belief in a lack is a fallacy. The lack of a belief is the cornerstone of scientific method and rational thinking in general.
    The fallacy is the labeling of a lack of belief atheism, and it is little more than a lackluster attempt to skirt Russell's Teapot while continuing to brandish it at theists. That's why I refuse to recognize the distinction. A lack of belief is more properly defined at apatheism.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: An Atheist President?

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    Wouldn't an atheist president be the ideal choice to lead the country?
    Depends on the individual.

    In fact, shouldn't we require our elected officials to forsake religion in order to better serve us and uphold the separation of Church and State?
    Requiring that they give up their beliefs as a prerequisite for the position would be a violation of their First Amendment rights.
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